The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart (Page 37/110)
rinselberg JUL 24, 07:05 PM
Capitol Breach--that's the term that is used consistently on the U.S. Department of Justice website. The breaching of the Capitol Building, which was not open to the public on January 6, until the "public" made it that way.

These are a few excerpts from what was reported in February, but also updated just a few days ago, in the New York Times.

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One officer lost the tip of his right index finger. Others were smashed in the head with baseball bats, flag poles and pipes. Another lost consciousness after rioters used a metal barrier to push her into stairs as they tried to reach the Capitol steps during the assault on Jan. 6.


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The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. About 140 officers — 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington — were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.


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About 170 of the roughly 1,200 Capitol Police officers on duty at the time of the attack were equipped with riot gear. Few other officers had gas masks or other protective equipment.

Some without helmets sustained brain injuries, one officer had two cracked ribs, two shattered spinal discs, and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, said Gus Papathanasiou, the chairman of the Capitol Police Union.


"Officers’ Injuries, Including Concussions, Show Scope of Violence at Capitol Riot"
Michael S. Schmidt and Luke Broadwater for the New York Times; published on February 11, 2021, and updated on July 12, 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...fficer-injuries.html

Check out some of the free 40-minute video report and see if this accounting of injuries in the New York Times lines up with what you can see with your own eyes.
https://nyti.ms/2UUXgu0

What I see in the video does not make me think that this accounting of injuries in the New York Times is an exaggeration.

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Rickady88GT JUL 24, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Capitol Breach--that's the term that is used consistently on the U.S. Department of Justice website. The breaching of the Capitol Building, which was not open to the public on January 6, until the "public" made it that way.

These are a few excerpts from what was reported in February, but also updated just a few days ago, in the New York Times.
"Officers’ Injuries, Including Concussions, Show Scope of Violence at Capitol Riot"
Michael S. Schmidt and Luke Broadwater for the New York Times; published on February 11, 2021, and updated on July 12, 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...fficer-injuries.html

Check out some of the free 40-minute video report and see if this accounting of injuries in the New York Times lines up with what you can see with your own eyes.
https://nyti.ms/2UUXgu0

What I see in the video does not make me think that this accounting of injuries in the New York Times is an exaggeration.




Rinselberg, this is EXACTLY why I rarely read articles you post, the articles I do read are 100% biased exaggeration and have 0% credibility because of it. So why would I watch a video of the same propaganda?
You do realize that if every single injury on each of the 140 "injured" Officers were inflicted on just one person,...that person would not die from the injuries. That is how little damage was done. Those injuries are minor, with exception of just a few. Those few do not even rate a serious or life threatening.
This type of media hate coverage is no different than david coresh cult leader crap.
Rickady88GT JUL 24, 08:23 PM
You tell me Rinselberg was the Capital trespassing on Jan6 the worst day for Law Enforcement sense 9 11?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1271020
This is your news source, not mine.

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rinselberg JUL 24, 08:24 PM
Oh yeah. I guess someone could suffer a concussion, one or more fractured ribs, a second degree burn of small to middling size, a shallow stab wound, a couple or three herniated spinal discs, an amputated fingertip and a mild heart attack, all within the space of a few minutes or an hour or two, and survive.

A Formula One race car driver. A combat pilot or aircrew that has to bail out after the aircraft is struck by ground fire or a Surface To Air missile. A victim of a major shark attack.

Happens all the time.

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rinselberg JUL 24, 08:25 PM
The article says "one of the worst days . . ."
williegoat JUL 24, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Oh yeah. I guess someone could suffer a concussion, one or more fractured ribs, a second degree burn of small to middling size, a shallow stab wound, a couple or three herniated spinal discs, an amputated fingertip and a mild heart attack, all within the space of a few minutes or an hour or two, and survive.

A Formula One race car driver. A combat pilot or aircrew that has to bail out after the aircraft is struck by ground fire or a Surface To Air missile. A victim of a major shark attack.

Happens all the time.



Hell, I've been to a few parties that resulted in more injuries than that.

We should investigate Jose Cuervo for conspiracy to commit insurrection.
Rickady88GT JUL 24, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Oh yeah. I guess someone could suffer a concussion, one or more fractured ribs, a second degree burn of small to middling size, a shallow stab wound, a couple or three herniated spinal discs, an amputated fingertip and a mild heart attack, all within the space of a few minutes or an hour or two, and survive.

A Formula One race car driver. A combat pilot or aircrew that has to bail out after the aircraft is struck by ground fire or a Surface To Air missile. A victim of a major shark attack.

Happens all the time.



Weak and pathetic defense for saying the Jan6 trespassing was "VIOLENT" and such actions are rare. I may remind you that 10s of thousands of people have been tortured well beyond these types of injuries sense 9 11. Not to mention the 10s of thousands of auto accidents and industrial accidents that have happened with a sum total of injuries that surpass bruises and scratches and a few bones.......AND LIVED TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
Weak and pathetic case in favor of "one of the worst days".
Rinselberg,....nobody even died from injuries on Jan6. A heart attack is poor health NOT an injury. AGIAN NOBODY DIED on Jan6 from injuries. HOW ON EARTH COULD THIS POSSIBLY be close to "worst" when the injuries are superficial and not life threatening? I gave a article from one of YOUR sources that list within the last 6 months MUCH WORSE days for Law Enforcement.
You sources are pathetic JOKE and can't be taken seriously, they have NO credit.

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rinselberg JUL 24, 11:26 PM
Metropolitan DC police officer Nick Fanone--now former Metropolitan DC police officer Nick Fanone--was assaulted by some of the rioters, and part of what happened to him was being tasered by rioters multiple times and then being diagnosed (afterwards, I guess) as having suffered a mild heart attack. Obviously, the multiple taser impacts or the other ways in which he was assaulted couldn't possibly have had anything to do with his being diagnosed as having suffered a heart attack.

He suffered some neurological damage--not too severe, apparently, but tangible--and is still recovering from that, or maybe just has to live with it for the rest of his life.

Do you find this accounting of what happened to him on Jan. 6 believable? That's what he has been saying about what happened to him on Jan. 6. Do you think he is lying, or exaggerating?

I don't "get" why you are talking about tens of thousands of people having been tortured and worse, since the 9-11 attacks. Tens of thousands of people around the world? Tens of thousands of people in parts of the world where Islamic extremism has been taking a large toll? Tens of thousands of people right here in the United States?

It's hard for me to believe that you haven't seen any video (or even just photographs) of the violence that took place on Jan. 6 outside and inside the Capitol Building, where rioters were violently assaulting the police with the palms of their hands (pushing and shoving), their fists, their shoe or boot-clad feet and improvised weapons (including metal flag poles) to get past the police and into the Capitol Building, and once inside the Capitol Building, to penetrate deeper into the Capitol Building's working spaces where the Vice President, the Senators and Congressmen and women and their staff persons and aides were located.

If that's what you dismissively categorize as "trespassing", then I go back to my earlier figure of speech. I guess you probably would call what happened to Hiroshima an "atmospheric disturbance."

I don't think you're making any sense.

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Rickady88GT JUL 24, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

If that's what you dismissively categorize as "trespassing", then I go back to my earlier figure of speech. I guess you probably do think of what happened to Hiroshima as an "atmospheric disturbance."

I don't think you're making any sense.


Of course I don't make sense to you, I am not speaking your narrative, I am probably exposing you to a view you either never heard or considered OR don't what to know.
No Rinselberg, I have not dismissed this issue. I despise what the trespassers have done. I despise even more the lies exaggerations and politicization of the event to a point of fiction. It absolutely distracts from truth and the seriousness of what happened. Loss of credibility is the death of the story. The truth will show that this was a criminal act of trespassing and vandalism. AND a few cases of assault.

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rinselberg JUL 25, 12:02 AM
Some small (single digit) number of defendants have already pled guilty to charges that include the words "conspiracy" and "obstruction of Congress."

Maybe we're really not that far apart about this.

Words can create a "fog" of their own.

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