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Rickady88GT
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JAN 21, 07:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
He is the Left's new Christine Blasey Ford (remember her?)
Just like in the Justice Bret Kavanaugh hearings, Parnas is their last minute, "Hail Mary", LIAR brought in to sling wild accusations. |
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Parnassus is under investigation for.....guess??? Lying,. he falsified documents. But a typical Democrat witness....... as long as he is lying about trump. If Parnas had made the same exact accusations against Biden, he would not be "credible".
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rinselberg
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JAN 21, 08:29 PM
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There are words from Lev Parnas's mouth, and there is a mobile phone (and maybe some other electronic devices, don't really know) which have been in the custody of SDNY investigators and prosecutors since October 10 of last year, when Parnas was arrested at Dulles International Airport, near Washington, DC.
Electronic records of voice calls, text messages, emails, "home" movies or Word or Word-like documents related to itineraries and meetings ..?
It's no big deal in terms of the Impeachment Trial, because the rules are going to exclude the possibility that any records from Parnas's mobile phone (or other electronic devices) would become part of the trial. Or I'll eat my hat.
The Impeachment Trial will be ending in Acquittal in the blink of an eye, but "Ukraine-gate" will have some encore performances in the months ahead, in the theater of news broadcasting and publication. Even if it doesn't bring down the house, I'm looking forward to the entertainment of it. Something to help fill in that awkward gap between the NFL's Super Bowl and the first games of the 2020 MLB regular season. The National Hockey League? The NBA? Pro Golf? Motor Sports? Not for me. It's going to be that time of year again, to look for On Demand fare from other genres.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-21-2020).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 21, 10:04 PM
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Rinse... you might very well be the only person who's actually watching this... I'm pretty hard-core with politics, and I haven't even caught a minute of it. Not because of any frustration, but it's just been so silly and ridiculous.
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randye
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JAN 22, 12:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Rinse... you might very well be the only person who's actually watching this.... |
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He might be watching it but it's a certainty that he isn't understanding any of it.
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cliffw
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JAN 22, 01:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
When Lev Parnas speaks, I listen... |
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Why ? Because Senator Shifty lied to you ?
Schiff mischaracterized Parnas evidence, documents show
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Schiff (D-Calif.) sent a letter to House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) last week summarizing a trove of evidence from Lev Parnas, an indicted former associate of Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. In one section of the letter, Schiff claims that Parnas “continued to try to arrange a meeting with President Zelensky,” citing a specific text message exchange where Parnas tells Giuliani: “trying to get us mr Z.” The remainder of the exchange — which was attached to Schiff’s letter — was redacted.
But an unredacted version of the exchange shows that several days later, Parnas sent Giuliani a word document that appears to show notes from an interview with Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of Burisma, followed by a text message to Giuliani that states: “mr Z answers my brother.” That suggests Parnas was referring to Zlochevsky not Zelensky.
The word document contains a series of questions and answers, but doesn't identify who is doing the asking or answering. Yet the questions center on the hiring practices at Burisma, while the responses include statements such as "we wanted to build Burisma as [an] international company” and "we also thought it would help in Ukraine to have strong international board figures,” which seems to point to Zlochevsky — not the Ukrainian president — as the respondent. |
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
but I'm skeptical. |
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You may be but you want to believe.
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rinselberg
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JAN 23, 02:50 AM
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I'm not hanging on every word, or trying to take in all of it.
There were intervals (earlier today) where I turned the video off and just had the sound, like background music, while I attended to some lower hanging fruit.
I was getting a "vibe" that Mitch McConnell and the President's "men" will not be able to make this impeachment trial into as small and as hurried of an event that I think they would originally have liked. A "vibe" that there will be some witnesses called to testify, and some further documents entered into the record of the trial, beyond just the articles of impeachment.
It's obvious to think of it in terms of only two outcomes, Acquittal of the President, or--like a snowball's chance in hell--Conviction.
I got an idea today about a third kind of outcome. Acquittal of the President, and a bi-partisan mandate to create new federal legislation (or some revision of current law) to put new "guardrails" into place; i.e., to erect more formidable obstacles to block another conspiracy-minded President from being able to "hijack" a package of Congressionally-authorized foreign aid, in a POTUS-led, "full court press" to bully the leaders of a foreign country (like Ukraine) into granting POTUS an illicit political favor.
I wouldn't know where to start (I can imagine your shocked face) in terms of any such lawmaking or legislative overhaul. I think that was former Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill. The idea.
An impeachment trial with some substance to it--not the "McConnell special" that I've been predicting, up to this point--would be like a set of "X-rays" to reveal, in Hi Def, the inner workings of the Ukraine-gate conspiracy, so that legislative remedies could be crafted using deep knowledge of the Ukraine-gate network architecture and transition state diagram. It would be like creating a virus-killing "designer drug" by working backwards from deep knowledge of the virus. A veritable apogee of reverse legislative engineering.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-23-2020).]
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randye
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JAN 23, 03:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I was getting a "vibe".....
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Yup, just like I said:
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
He might be watching it but it's a certainty that he isn't understanding any of it.
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cliffw
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JAN 23, 07:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Rinse... you might very well be the only person who's actually watching this... I'm pretty hard-core with politics, and I haven't even caught a minute of it. Not because of any frustration, but it's just been so silly and ridiculous. |
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C'mon man ... (  ),
Not that I am fixated with it, but I have heard more than an hour of it. Having XM, I could tune in from time to time. I was tuned in to the comedy channel, liberal radio. It was boring, comedic, infuriating, appalling, and more. I had to keep upon the latest attempted coup of our President, unfiltered by just media recaps.
I started this post early yesterday. There was something, about some statement / claim that I was going to mention. Damn, I should have jotted it down. Maybe I will remember.
Day one was boring but more interesting than day two.
Day two was the Dumbs presentation of "evidence" umm, claims. Senator Shifty opened, spending two hours, instructing us how to make salad. Not different salads, the same ole' plain jane salad. While explaining, he mentioned that our ally,  , Ukraine was invaded by Russia in 2014 and we have been providing military assistance since then. You remember that. Blankets and pillows.
It seems that each House handler (the members of the funeral processsion who delivered the Articles of Impeachment) also spent hours teaching us how to make the same salad. (I was tuned out by then.)
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cliffw
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JAN 23, 08:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I got an idea today about a third kind of outcome. Acquittal of the President, and a bi-partisan mandate to create new federal legislation (or some revision of current law) to put new "guardrails" into place; i.e., to erect more formidable obstacles to block another conspiracy-minded President from being able to "hijack" a package of Congressionally-authorized foreign aid, in a POTUS-led, "full court press" to bully the leaders of a foreign country (like Ukraine) into granting POTUS an illicit political favor. |
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Illicit ?
Your team keeps saying the American people want to see witnesses (the one they have in mind) and documents. I love the way they say it. First they say it then say it again, real slow, with pauses.
POTUS, political favor ? C'mon man.
The ... American ... people, ... want ... to ... know ... why ... Hunter Biden ... got paid ... $80,000 a month, ... with no experience !
We might be electing his Dad as President. Don't you want to know ?
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
An impeachment trial with some substance to it--not the ...
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... completely partisan opposition party brew ha with no crime alleged.
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E.Furgal
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JAN 23, 08:59 AM
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