The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart (Page 33/110)
williegoat JUL 21, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Trespassing?

I'm getting a "vibe" from this forum, of an impatience to box this up and put a label on it, when it's still very much a work in progress.



The illegitimate despotic regime which seized and continues to occupy the Whitehouse has already labelled it "insurrection" and layed our once great republic to rest in a pine box. You seem to be impatient to attend the wake.

Don't be too surprised when you start to hear a rustling from within that box.



Bonus if you know the source of the picture.
Extra credit if you can name the person in the picture.
Super bonus extra credit if you can tell me how it is tangentially Pontiac related.

Hint: I have posted the answer to all three in the past, in a round-a-bout Circular Circulation sort of way.

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Hudini JUL 21, 06:56 PM
Maybe the Democrats want to setup a 2 year "RussiaGate" sorta thing where they can bring it to a boil around election time. Or maybe if they can keep it on a low simmer until the next presidential election then trot it out to try and hammer whoever is the GOP candidate for 2024.
williegoat JUL 21, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

Maybe the Democrats want to setup a 2 year "RussiaGate" sorta thing where they can bring it to a boil around election time. Or maybe if they can keep it on a low simmer until the next presidential election then trot it out to try and hammer whoever is the GOP candidate for 2024.


I believe you have it right. If they can keep the "insurrection" and Covid in the forefront and squelch any news of the election fraud/audits they think they can sway those who like being spoon fed.

There will be periodic, carefully timed "leaks" from the January 6th Commission over the next few years.

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Rickady88GT JUL 21, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Trespassing?


Yes, that is what they did. They had no guns, no knifes or weapons of war. Did some of those idiots intend to stop a vote? Yes, I think so. BUT was it an attempt to overthrow the government or an intersection? No,

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Caleb Berry has just pled guilty to a criminal indictment charging him with one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding. He faces a statutory maximum of five years in prison on the conspiracy charge and up to 20 years on the obstruction charge, as well as a period of supervised release.

As a cooperating witness, he's not going to be sentenced to anything close to 20 years of imprisonment.

But what about other people who may be charged with conspiracy and obstruction, based on this defendant's testimony as a cooperating witness?


Sock it to them, I hope they get what they deserve. I hope antifa and blm get charged too,...but I guess sense this is a political stunt by the democrats, only the "Trumpers" will get punished
The blm antifa riots have lead to 3 billion dollars in damages and many deaths and injuries. How many are looking at 20 years in prison? Hills up along with other democrats set up funds to bail out and defend antifa and blm rioters. It is a fact that the democrats don't even want to call the riots "riots". They want to avoid the truth by calling them protests. Now who is conspiring against America? The answer is the current administration of democrats.

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I'm getting a "vibe" from this forum, of an impatience to box this up and put a label on it, when it's still very much a work in progress.



You have got to be kidding? You are the only impatient person labeling the Jan6 trespassing with outrageous and inaccurate labels.

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randye JUL 21, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:


Ok, so this is EXACTLY what I was talking about, hyper overblown exaggerated words. "Invasion" really? It was trespassing.
Conspiracy? That isn't a big deal, 2 or more people plankton do something stupid, like trespassing.




If you are Pennocks Purveyor Of Perjury and perennial propagandist for the LEFT, like he is, then hyperbole, deceit, exaggeration and LIES are your "stock in trade", your "tools".

It's what he does.

He kept repeating "COLLUSION" over and over for 4 years and now he keeps mindlessly hooting CONSPIRACY for a few principle reasons.

1. He was "bludgeoned" in this thread into being forced to admit that THERE WAS NO "INSURRECTION"

and more importantly:

2. He hasn't the faintest clue whatsoever the legal intricacies of actually proving a charge of "conspiracy" and, more importantly, WHY the Biden administration would try to bring charges of "conspiracy" against LESS THAN 1 PERCENT of the people that attended the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC.

3. Similarly, he doesn't have anywhere close to even a basic understanding of WHY far less than a handful of defendants would agree to plead guilty to such a charge, the same as the fact that he was never once possessed of even a rudimentary understanding of WHY General Michael Flynn, who's case he also hooted about endlessly, would have also entered into a "guilty" plea with the government.

I mentioned it earlier in this thread but allowed it to pass by without explanation that the federal crime of "conspiracy" is one of a very few INCHOATE offenses, (attempt, solicitation, and conspiracy)

IT IS NOT what is referred to as the "target crime".

That should be a "helpful hint" to anyone with the intellectual curiosity that our Pennocks Purveyor Of Perjury lacks.

He will just keep on mindlessly hooting CONSPIRACY!!!!

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randye JUL 22, 12:52 AM


As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Threatening government officials of the United States (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today only 535 individuals], (<1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 3 individuals, (0.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".

As of today only 20 individuals, (3.7 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 20 individuals, (<0.06 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.
Rickady88GT JUL 22, 01:00 PM
https://www.npr.org/section...-from-pro-trump-riot

Ok, so the nuts and bolts of it,... "damage assessment" from a Trump hater. This article is VERY biased against the "mob" so no doubt in my mind they are exaggerating the damage costs. One such example of the biased exaggeration is lumping the pelosi fence onto the cost of damages. Another example is the damage assessment included projected inflation and indeterminate length of time for the unnecessary idiot pelosi fence.
So what did the attempted Government overthrow damages cost? 30 million dollars AND GROWING???. HOW DOES THE DAMAGE KEEP GROWING FOR A 3 HOUR TRESPASSING 6 MONTHS AGO????? Political CORRUPTION perpetrated by democrats who hate half of America is the only answer.
2 lamp stands, a few windows and doors. The article as part of it's Trump hate listed furniture as a part of the damage but that damage was caused by Capital Police and they also noted that a paint job was "destroyed". A needless and senseless waste of money remodeling paint job!!! Also part of the damage assessment was "monentos" that democrats claimed as losses.
SOOOO, the Government damaged furniture and did a repaint project and "lost momentos" while the other idiots broke windows and a few doors. The biggest idiot pelosi cost the tax payer 60 TIMES as much money as the rioters did. The cost of windows and repairs to doors can't cost more than $500,000.
The politicians did 60x more monetary damage, half of the property damage and are responsible for 100% of the death toll from the Jan6 trespassing.

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Rickady88GT JUL 22, 04:00 PM
BTW, the first sentence handed down to a Jan6 trespasser is 8 months NOT the 20+ years mentioned earlier in the thread. The over exaggeration, hate and zealous over this political issue is so overwhelming and consuming to some people that they exaggerate even not just the events or damage BUT the aftermath as well.

Rinselberg, you were partly correct with your analogy of a nuclear bomb vrs weather event. The Government in you analogy is most certainly the bomb and the trespassers are a minor event.
rinselberg JUL 22, 04:36 PM
I've posted this link before and I'm posting it again. I think this online video content is unique.

You may be suspicious of any reporting from the New York Times. You may be suspicious of any or all of the (10) named reporters as "propagandists." My question--if anyone were to view any of this content--is what do you see or hear that you think is false or misleading? Can you narrow it down to something more specific than just a general suspicion about the New York Times or any or all of the (10) named reporters?

"Day of Rage: An In-Depth Look at How a Mob Stormed the Capitol"
Dmitriy Khavin, Haley Willis, Evan Hill, Natalie Reneau, Drew Jordan, Cora Engelbrecht, Christiaan Triebert, Stella Cooper, Malachy Browne and David Botti; June 30, 2021. A six-month [New York] Times investigation has synchronized and mapped out thousands of videos and police radio communications from the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, providing the most complete picture to date of what happened—and why.

It's 40 minutes but it's fast-paced, with visual aids like overlays and pointers to augment the raw video footage. And you don't need an online subscription. This Internet page link is your free admission to the January 6 Online Experience.

Good for one free admission via desktop system, tablet or smartphone. Reusable.
https://nyti.ms/2UUXgu0

You may need to use the loudspeaker icon in the lower right corner of the movie screen to unmute the sound.

There's a moment where the narrator singles out District of Columbia Mayor Muriel Bowser--anything but a Trump supporter or MAGA enthusiast--for having turned down an offer of additional security forces in the days just before January 6. I'm not sure whether that offer of police reinforcements for January 6 was something involving the Department of Homeland Security or some other agency. But I wonder about that--and if Mayor Bowser will be called as a witness by the new House Committee that's set up to investigate the events of January 6.

In so many words, author and historian Timothy Snyder has said that the best dry run for a successful insurrection is a failed insurrection.

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rinselberg JUL 22, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

BTW, the first sentence handed down to a Jan6 trespasser is 8 months NOT the 20+ years mentioned earlier in the thread. The over exaggeration, hate and zealous over this political issue is so overwhelming and consuming to some people that they exaggerate even not just the events or damage BUT the aftermath as well.

Rinselberg, you were partly correct with your analogy of a nuclear bomb vrs weather event. The Government in you analogy is most certainly the bomb and the trespassers are a minor event.



The FIRST courtroom sentencing.

Exactly.

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