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randye

JUL 19, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by jdv:

What does it mean if someone's ratings bar is bright red?

You have, presumably, been a member here long enough, (15 years), to know what the ratings bar is and how it works, however in the event that your question Is not sarcastic I'll oblige you with an explanation from the forum owner:

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randye

JUL 20, 12:19 AM

As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Threatening government officials of the United States (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today only 535 individuals], (<1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".

As of today only 20 individuals, (3.7 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 20 individuals, (<0.06 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges

As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.

As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.

randye

JUL 21, 12:13 AM

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rinselberg

JUL 21, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
Conspiracy? What a joke. I doubt a case can be won proving that.

Tuesday, July 20, from the U.S. Department of Justice

"Affiliate of the Oath Keepers Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy and Breaching Capitol on Jan. 6"

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Caleb Berry, 20 of Tampa, Fla., an affiliate of the Oath Keepers, pleaded guilty today to CONSPIRACY and to breaching the U.S. Capitol for the purpose of obstructing Congress’ certification of the electoral college on Jan. 6. The guilty plea was announced by Acting U.S. Attorney Channing D. Phillips and Acting Assistant Attorney General Mark J. Lesko of the National Security Division.

Berry pled guilty to a criminal information charging him with one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding. He faces a statutory maximum of five years in prison on the conspiracy charge and up to 20 years on the obstruction charge, as well as a period of supervised release. As part of a plea agreement, Berry has agreed to cooperate with the Government’s ongoing investigation of the Jan. 6 Capitol breach. The Honorable Amit P. Mehta, who accepted Berry’s guilty plea, scheduled a status hearing for Sept. 21, 2021, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

For the complete DOJ press release:
https://www.justice.gov/usa...aching-capitol-jan-6

Caleb "call me Cal" Berry is the fourth Oath Keepers-connected person to plead guilty to federal charges and agree to cooperate with investigators in connection with the invasion of the Capitol Building on January 6.

"Fourth Oath Keeper in Capitol riot pleads guilty, cooperates with FBI"
Pete Williams for NBC News; July 20, 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...perates-fbi-n1274551

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Rickady88GT

JUL 21, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Tuesday, July 20, from the U.S. Department of Justice

"Affiliate of the Oath Keepers Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy and Breaching Capitol on Jan. 6"
[QUOTE]Caleb Berry, 20 of Tampa, Fla., an affiliate of the Oath Keepers, pleaded guilty today to CONSPIRACY and to breaching the U.S. Capitol for the purpose of obstructing Congress’ certification of the electoral college on Jan. 6. The guilty plea was announced by Acting U.S. Attorney Channing D. Phillips and Acting Assistant Attorney General Mark J. Lesko of the National Security Division.

Berry pled guilty to a criminal information charging him with one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding. He faces a statutory maximum of five years in prison on the conspiracy charge and up to 20 years on the obstruction charge, as well as a period of supervised release. As part of a plea agreement, Berry has agreed to cooperate with the Government’s ongoing investigation of the Jan. 6 Capitol breach. The Honorable Amit P. Mehta, who accepted Berry’s guilty plea, scheduled a status hearing for Sept. 21, 2021, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

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So to make this simple and unbiased, the translation is that they trespassed.

rinselberg

JUL 21, 11:54 AM

Well Rick, I can only offer you the possibility of agreeing to disagree.

Calling it "trespassing" is like calling what happened to Hiroshima an "atmospheric disturbance."

"January 6, The Movie"
https://nyti.ms/2UUXgu0

It's 40 minutes but it's fast-paced, with visual aids like overlays and pointers to augment the raw video footage. And you don't need an online subscription.

If anyone were to opt in, they could just look at how it starts--but odds are, they won't be able to stop until they've reached the end.

It's "gripping."

To get the sound, there's an unmute step involving a loudspeaker icon near the lower right corner. For smartphone users, a finger touch to reveal or access the loudspeaker icon and unmute the sound.

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Rickady88GT

JUL 21, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Well Rick, I can only offer you the possibility of agreeing to disagree.

Calling it "trespassing" is like calling what happened to Hiroshima an "atmospheric disturbance."

We can agree to disagree, but using hyper unrealistic words and analogies is only distracting from what really happened. How much damage was caused by the trespassers? How many people did they kill?
You can start by using the charges that they are officially charged with. Like Randye says, none of them are charged with attempts to take over the Government or harm any individuals.
A nuclear bomb has killed many people, government takeovers have lead to the deaths of many more people. The trespassing did not kill any one, in fact the Government are the only ones that killed a person. So maybe you are implying that the Capital Police are the nuclear bomb and the trespassers are a mostly peaceful atmospheric disturbance.

rinselberg

JUL 21, 01:51 PM

The judicial proceedings will stretch from now, into 2023. I already reported on that, closer to the top of this page.

There was a conspiracy by a relatively small number of people who planned to force their way inside the Capitol Building, and they were working on it for weeks in advance of the Stop The Steal rally in front of the White House on January 6, which turned into the Capitol Building invasion.

Their objective from the very start was to interfere with the Congressional proceedings that were expected to certify the election of Joe Biden as the next President.

They weren't planning a peaceful demonstration.

The conspirators knew that if they took the lead in forcing their way past the police and into the Capitol Building, a much larger number of people would follow closely behind them--the hundreds of mere "trespassers"--and that the combined large number of people would create an impossible situation for the police.

Did the conspirators already know, even before they arrived in the District of Columbia, or before they moved on the Capitol Building during the afternoon of January 6, that the police readiness that they were going up against was completely inadequate for the situation?

That's how I'm thinking about it. I don't know of any credible reporting that would lead me to a different "take" on what happened.

The idea that the Democrats are just playing this up as a way to undermine or undercut the memories of the "George Floyd summer of 2020" of Black Lives Matter, antifa, riots, violence, arson, killings (etc.) across the nation--well, I'm not going to say what I think of that idea.

I may continue to check in here with new reports as more defendants are charged or as more cases move through the courts.

Especially if the reports have some "color" to them, like the one (it's on another thread) about the defendant with plans for a "Liberty Tavern" branded political podcast and line of cigars.

Rickady88GT

JUL 21, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The judicial proceedings will stretch from now, into 2023. I already reported on that, closer to the top of this page.

Only because they want to use the January trespassing as a political tool. And tools will fall for it. IF there were any Justice here the same standard used on antifa and blm would be used,...guess what. The white Trumpers are the ones to go after because politics NOT justice.

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There was a conspiracy by a relatively small number of people who planned to force their way inside the Capitol Building, and they were working on it for weeks in advance of the Stop The Steal rally in front of the White House on January 6, which turned into the Capitol Building invasion.

Ok, so this is EXACTLY what I was talking about, hyper overblown exaggerated words. "Invasion" really? It was trespassing.
Conspiracy? That isn't a big deal, 2 or more people plankton do something stupid, like trespassing.

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Their objective from the very start was to interfere with the Congressional proceedings that were expected to certify the election of Joe Biden as the next President.

They weren't planning a peaceful demonstration.

According to you, ....can you read minds or prove that claim in court?
Aside from the obvious political persecution of "Trumpers" the case against the trespassers is proving to be much more difficult than the democrats first thought.

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The conspirators knew that if they took the lead in forcing their way past the police and into the Capitol Building, a much larger number of people would follow closely behind them--the hundreds of mere "trespassers"--and that the combined large number of people would create an impossible situation for the police.

I can agree that a very small group of idiots lead lemmings just like the dems that impeached Trump on bogus garbage. Those charges would not even hold up in court.

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Did the conspirators already know, even before they arrived in the District of Columbia, or before they moved on the Capitol Building during the afternoon of January 6, that the police readiness that they were going up against was completely inadequate for the situation?

I don't know. I bet you don't either

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That's how I'm thinking about it. I don't know of any credible reporting that would lead me to a different "take" on what happened.

Given the sorceress you reference, I would agree with your statement.
The courts will hash it out and most likely the appeals process will be used as well. That will be all you need, no need for biased media to tell people what to think or chew the food for those to lazy to do it for themselves.

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The idea that the Democrats are just playing this up as a way to undermine or undercut the memories of the "George Floyd summer of 2020" of Black Lives Matter, antifa, riots, violence, arson, killings (etc.) across the nation--well, I'm not going to say what I think of that idea.

Why not?

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I may continue to check in here with new reports as more defendants are charged or as more cases move through the courts.

Especially if the reports have some "color" to them, like the one (it's on another thread) about the defendant with plans for a "Liberty Tavern" branded political podcast and line of cigars.

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rinselberg

JUL 21, 04:29 PM

Trespassing?

Caleb Berry has just pled guilty to a criminal indictment charging him with one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding. He faces a statutory maximum of five years in prison on the conspiracy charge and up to 20 years on the obstruction charge, as well as a period of supervised release.

As a cooperating witness, he's not going to be sentenced to anything close to 20 years of imprisonment.

But what about other people who may be charged with conspiracy and obstruction, based on this defendant's testimony as a cooperating witness?

I'm getting a "vibe" from this forum, of an impatience to box this up and put a label on it, when it's still very much a work in progress.

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