The evidence against anthropogenic global warming (Page 32/600)
fierobear DEC 09, 10:13 AM
More on the latest temperature decline:

http://www.worldclimaterepo...gainst-endangerment/

• Global temperatures have declined (Figure 1a)—extending the current run of time with a statistically robust lack of global temperature rise to eight years (Figure 1b), with some people arguing that it can be traced back for 12 years (Figure 1c).



Figure 1. Monthly global temperature anomalies (ºC) as measured at the surface (filled circles) and in the lower atmosphere by satellites (open circles). Top (a), Last three years, January 2006-October 2008; Middle (b) Last eight years, January 2001-October 2008; Bottom (c), last 12 years, January 1997-October 2008. (sources: Hadley Center; University of Alabama-Huntsville).

• The consensus on past, present and future Atlantic hurricane behavior has changed. Initially, it tilted towards the idea that anthropogenic global warming is leading to (and will lead to) to more frequent and intense storms. Now the consensus is much more neutral, arguing that future Atlantic tropical cyclones will be little different that those of the past (e.g. Knutson et al., 2008; Vecchi et al., 2008).

• The alarmist notion that warming temperatures will cause Greenland to rapidly shed its ice has been silenced by new results indicating little evidence for the operation of such processes (e.g., van de Wal et al., 2008; Joughin et al., 2008).
ryan.hess DEC 09, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by fierobear:
When did I ever say there wasn't warming?



My apologies! I don't know what would have given me that preposterous idea!!


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Originally posted by fierobear:
time to get back to debunking global warming...




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Originally posted by fierobear:

BRRRR! This global warming is sure getting chilly...

Brrrr... Antarctica Records Record High Ice Cap Growth
Brrrr... South America Has Coldest Winter in a 90 Years
Brrrr... Iraqis See First Snow in 100 Years As Sign of Peace
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in a Decade in China Cause Rioting
Brrrr... Jerusalem Grinds to a Halt As Rare Snowstorm Blasts City
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in 50 Years Continue to Cripple China
Brrrr... China Suffers Coldest Winter in 100 Years
Brrrr... Pakistan Suffers Lowest Temps in 70 Years-- 260 Dead
Brrrr... Record Cold Hits Central Asia-- 654 Dead in Afghanistan
Brrrr... Severe Weather Kills Dozens in Kashmir
Brrrr... Tajikistan Crisis!! Coldest Winter in 25 Years!
Brrrr... Record Cold Wave Blasts Mumbai, India
Brrrr... Snow and Ice in San Diego?
Brrrr... Wisconsin Snowfall Record Shattered
Brrrr... The Disappearing Arctic Ice Is Back And It's Thick
Brrrr... Turkey's snowiest winter continues.
Brrrr... Record Cold & Snow Blankets Acropolis in Greece (Video)
Brrrr... Longest Ever Cold Spell Kills Cattle & Rice in Vietnam
Brrrr... Most Snow Cover Over North America Since 1966
Brrrr... Australia Suffers Through Coldest Summer in 50 Years
Brrrr... Record Snowfall Slams Ohio River Valley
Brrrr... New Data Gives Global Warming the Cold Shoulder
Brrrr... Global Cooling Causes Armed Clashes in Canada
Brrrr... Snake Oil Salesman Admits to Ca$hing In on Global Warming Hysteria
Brrrr... New Research Claims Earth Sliding Into an Ice Age
Brrrr... Blizzard Blasts South Dakota-- 4 Feet of Snow Reported
An Inconvenient Debate... Czech Pres. Challenges Gore On Warming
Brrrr... Record Snow Blankets Spokane, Washington In June!
Brrrr... Peru Declares Emergency-- Record Cold Kills 61 Children & 5,000 Alpacas
Brrrr... Arctic Sea Ice Levels Are Up By 1,000,000 Square Kilometers
Brrrr... Denver Breaks 118 Year-Old Cold Record-- Arctic Ice Refuses to Melt



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Toddster DEC 09, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:

Just saw a frightening ad on tv. It claims that burning coal is the leading cause of global warming and that there is no such thing as "clean coal".

http://action.thisisreality.org/

its by these idiots. I love their "reality".




I've seen that ad and it is disturbing. I used to build coal fired power stations and do you know what "dirty coal" is? it si 97.5% efficient, versus your car which is about 33% efficient. Clean coal attempts to get to about 99% efficiency in energy conversion and uses advanced scrubber technology to remove particulates before they enter the atmosphere.

Didn't see that in the ad.
ryan.hess DEC 09, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:

I've seen that ad and it is disturbing. I used to build coal fired power stations and do you know what "dirty coal" is? it si 97.5% efficient, versus your car which is about 33% efficient. Clean coal attempts to get to about 99% efficiency in energy conversion and uses advanced scrubber technology to remove particulates before they enter the atmosphere.

Didn't see that in the ad.



Say what?

Even the best electric generators aren't more than 90% efficient. You'd be lucky to get 45% overall efficiency from any power plant.
fierobear DEC 11, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by ryan.hess:


stay on message, it might stick better.



Oh, geez, Ryan. Those articles are about conditions over the last 10 years, as temps have been FLAT. I never said there wasn't warming during the 20th centrury.

Try to keep up, OK?
fierobear DEC 11, 10:18 AM
Well, California is insisting on throwing away it's industrial and business future on this bullshit. And you know what happens next...where California goes, other states blindly follow.

Calif. considers tough greenhouse gas restrictions

SACRAMENTO—California air regulators meet Thursday to consider the nation's most sweeping plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, one that will transform how people travel, utilities generate power and businesses use electricity.

California's plan also relies on creating the broadest market yet in carbon-credit trading in a bid to give the state's worst polluters cheaper ways to cut the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases they produce.

The restrictions being considered this week by the California Air Resources Board represent the first time the state has committed to a plan to implement a landmark 2006 law that has made it a global leader in combating climate change. Advocates hope the framework will become a model for the U.S. and other countries.

"It is a major milestone in California's effort to deal with global climate change," Air Resources Board chairwoman Mary Nichols told The Associated Press. "We will be adopting a plan that will serve as a template not only for California but other states and the national government."

If adopted, the plan will set clear strategies for how the country's most populous state plans to cut emissions at a time many governments around the world are struggling with a financial crisis that threatens to undermine efforts to fight climate change.

California's commitment coincides with the final days of a United Nations conference in Poland during which negotiators are working on an international global warming treaty to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. The U.S. delegation sent by President George Bush reiterated its long-held opposition to targeted reductions.

But President-elect Barack Obama has struck a different tone.

Last month, Obama delivered a video message to a climate conference in Beverly Hills and pledged to reclaim a leading role for the United States in U.N. negotiations next year. He wants to establish California's targets to reduce emissions for the entire country.

The 2006 law, called the Global Warming Solutions Act but commonly referred to as AB32, mandates that California cut emissions by a third—or to 1990 levels—by 2020.

The strategy chosen by air regulators will create 31 new regulations affecting all facets of life, from what fuels Californians put in their vehicles to what kind of air conditioners businesses put in their buildings.

The average Californian, for example, can expect to pay to have their car tires inflated during oil changes and should expect to pay higher power bills as utilities try to increase their use of renewable energy.

They also could see more fuel efficient cars at dealerships, better public transportation, housing near schools and businesses, and utility rebates to equip their homes to be more energy efficient.

New fees and reporting requirements will accompany the emission rules.

Finding the right ways to implement California's target has not been without controversy.

Republicans, small businesses and major industries that will be forced to change their operations beginning in 2012 say jobs could be lost, companies might leave the state and energy prices will skyrocket.

"Transforming the California economy into one that runs on clean technologies falls flat if it means scores of businesses will be closing their doors and more and more people are sent to the unemployment lines," said John Kabateck, executive director of the California branch of the National Federation of Independent Business.

The air board's background work has been criticized in reviews by California's nonpartisan legislative analyst and independent scientists, with both groups saying the costs to the state could be greater than projected.

"AB32 is presented as a riskless 'free lunch' for Californians," Matthew E. Kahn, a professor of economics at the University of California, Los Angeles, wrote to the board. "I would like to believe this claim but ... there are too many uncertainties and open microeconomic questions for me to believe this."

Republican state lawmaker Roger Niello of Fair Oaks requested the board perform a more thorough economic analysis and postpone its vote on the global warming plan.

"It's unfair to the citizens of our state to pursue all these measures when success is really dependent on a lot more other jurisdictions," Niello told The Associated Press.

An air board analysis published in September projected California's economy would grow at a faster rate under the emissions cut than if it did nothing. It also estimated 100,000 more jobs would be created and the average California household would save $400 a year by driving more fuel-efficient vehicles and living in more energy-efficient homes.

Nichols said her board had done a thorough job of assessing the plan. She said she was optimistic the country would be out of recession by the time California's industries, commercial businesses and individuals must begin complying with emission regulations in 2012.

Once all the measures are in force, the air board projects the cost to the state at $25 billion in 2020, but said they will be more than offset by the savings—which it estimates at $40 billion that year.

The state's global warming plan touches virtually every sector of the economy, primarily by changing the fuels that California uses to power its vehicles and generate electricity. It also encourages forest preservation and plans to capture methane gas at landfills. Supporters of the law also hope it will make California a leader in green technology, attracting investments and jobs.

Winston Hickox, a former secretary of the state Environmental Protection Agency, said California's green technology companies are eyeing billions of dollars in new investment to help the state meets its goals.

"California is a laboratory where the most promising and profitable solutions to global warming are being pioneered," said Derek Walker, a climate specialist at the group Environmental Defense who attended the U.N. climate change conference in Poland.

The plan being considered this week by the Air Resources Board will create the framework for implementing specific aspects of the law in the years ahead. Most of the reductions in California's emissions will come from more detailed regulations that will be written over the next few years, including rules governing a cap-and-trade program that launches in 2012 to help the largest polluters achieve emission cuts.

A cap-and-trade program is a key feature of California's strategy to help power plants, oil and gas refiners, manufacturers and other major polluters gradually lower carbon emissions. The idea is to allow businesses that cannot cut their emissions because of cost or technical hurdles to buy credits from companies that have achieved cleaner emissions.

But allowing businesses to buy their way out of the problem is another contentious part of the plan. Representatives of California's poor communities say the polluting power plants, refineries and factories in their neighborhoods could write a check rather than cut emissions.

"We believe that trading schemes don't work and they crowd out things that could, that trading stifles innovation," said Angela Johnson-Meszaros, a member of an environmental justice committee that reviewed the plan.
fierobear DEC 11, 10:26 AM

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Just to stay on message...


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fierobear DEC 11, 07:44 PM
WARNING! EPA most wanted eco-fugitives!

(are we, with our carbon footprints, next?)

Environmental fugitives get own most-wanted list

WASHINGTON – The government is starting a different kind of most-wanted list — for environmental fugitives accused of assaulting nature.

These fugitives allegedly smuggled chemicals that eat away the Earth's protective ozone layer, dumped hazardous waste into oceans and rivers and trafficked in polluting cars.

And now the government wants help in tracking them down.

In its own version of the FBI most-wanted list, and the first to focus on environmental crimes, the Environmental Protection Agency is unveiling a roster of 23 fugitives, complete with mug shots and descriptions of the charges on its Web site at http://www.epa.gov/fugitives.

A top EPA enforcement official said the people on the list represent the "brazen universe of people that are evading the law." Many face years in prison and some charges could result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.

"They are charged with environmental crimes and they should be brought before the criminal justice system and have their day in court," said Pete Rosenberg, a director in the agency's criminal enforcement division.

On display will be John Karayannides, who allegedly helped orchestrate the dumping of 487 tons of wheat tainted with diesel fuel into the South China Sea in 1998. Karayannides is believed to have fled to Athens, Greece.

Also at large are the father and son team of Carlos and Allesandro Giordano, who were arrested in 2003 as the owners of Autodelta USA, a company that was illegally importing and selling Alfa Romeos that did not meet U.S. emission or safety standards. The two men are believed to be hiding out in Italy.

Raul Chavez-Beltran, another fugitive on the list, ran an environmental cleanup company in El Paso, Texas, that is accused of transporting hazardous waste from factories along the Mexican border and improperly disposing and storing it in the U.S. In one case, he allegedly stockpiled mercury-laced soil from an environmental spill in a warehouse.

The launch of the most-wanted list comes as EPA's criminal enforcement has ebbed. In fiscal 2008, the EPA opened 319 criminal enforcement cases, down from 425 in fiscal 2004. And criminal prosecutors charged only 176 defendants with environmental crimes, the fewest in five years.

EPA officials defend the agency's record, saying the agency has focused on bigger cases with larger environmental benefits.

But Walter D. James III, an environmental attorney based in Grapevine, Texas, says the EPA is critically understaffed to investigate environmental crimes. While the budget for the division has increased by $11 million since 2000, there are still only 185 criminal investigators. Congress authorized the EPA to hire 200 investigators in 1990.

James said that while the list could prompt the public to turn people in, he questioned whether it would deter others from committing environmental crimes.

"It's like telling John Gotti he is a bad man," James said. "Is that going to matter to John Gotti?"
Phranc DEC 11, 08:07 PM
Some of those I can understand but, "Also at large are the father and son team of Carlos and Allesandro Giordano, who were arrested in 2003 as the owners of Autodelta USA, a company that was illegally importing and selling Alfa Romeos that did not meet U.S. emission or safety standards. The two men are believed to be hiding out in Italy." is that really so grievous a crime compared to dumping toxic waste?
vinny DEC 11, 09:08 PM
sorry wrong thread

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