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jelly2m8
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JAN 11, 02:33 AM
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Been following this and it's pretty devastating for sure, I know, we had major bush fires here soon to be 2 years ago with a lot of lost homes. Then I have been following the Canadian water bombers participating (and being the most effective) and they are questioning the environmental impact of using salt water to fight these fires...... Sorry I am out, lets bring our crews home and let that shat hole burn down. get your priorates straight, then give us a ring.
That is how We fight forest / bush / major fires here on the East and West coast of Canada, there is no environmental damage, already our area's that burned are growing back nice and lush.[This message has been edited by jelly2m8 (edited 01-11-2025).]
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blackrams
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JAN 11, 05:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jelly2m8:
Been following this and it's pretty devastating for sure, I know, we had major bush fires here soon to be 2 years ago with a lot of lost homes. Then I have been following the Canadian water bombers participating (and being the most effective) and they are questioning the environmental impact of using salt water to fight these fires...... Sorry I am out, lets bring our crews home and let that shat hole burn down. get your priorates straight, then give us a ring.
That is how We fight forest / bush / major fires here on the East and West coast of Canada, there is no environmental damage, already our area's that burned are growing back nice and lush.
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Didn't know Canada sent "Water Bombers" to LA. I'm sure CA residents appreciate the assistance being given. I would also thank those crews if I had the opportunity. I have a life long friend who was working in Canada during to fires you mentioned. He didn't describe it as "bush fires" but, I'll take your description as accurate. He described it as hell. Reference the potential environmental damage, don't force me to have to make the decision on saving my home versus saving my yard.
Using the environmental argument of fresh versus salt water on fires is simply stupid IMO.
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Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . 
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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blackrams
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JAN 11, 12:00 PM
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I thought this article was interesting.................
In LA fire horror, California elites face the consequences of blue misrule
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...cbc2ae6ee184e0&ei=73
| quote | The vivid, heartbreaking images from this week’s Los Angeles wildfires called urgent attention to California’s longtime decline.
But this time, those affected by its bad policies and bad governance include a demographic rarely touched by them: the rich.
Over the last several years, California’s net out-migration numbers set records.
An astounding 343,000 more people left the Golden State than moved to it in 2022, the highest net loss of any state, and 2023 was almost as bad, with a net loss of 268,100.
But the wealthy of California largely stayed put.
It was mostly the lower and middle classes, walloped by notoriously high taxes, mismanagement at every level of government and crumbling infrastructure, who made a run for the door.
The affluent have been largely protected from all that.
They could easily absorb the heavy tax burden and the high costs of housing or gas.
Like Gov. Gavin Newsom, they could avoid their state’s failing public schools and send their kids to private schools instead.
But no water in a fire hydrant is a great equalizer.
Comedian Billy Crystal lost his home — all but its tennis court — in Pacific Palisades.
The homes of actors Anthony Hopkins, Miles Teller and John Goodman were wiped out there, too.
Heiress Paris Hilton said she saw her luxe Malibu vacation house “burn to the ground on live TV.”
It’s unpleasant to talk about the politics that led to the loss of entire neighborhoods, but it’s necessary to examine the terrible policies that led to this preventable disaster.
After over a decade of one-party rule, California has become the testing ground for the left’s most extreme ideas — and we are seeing the results in real time now.
Whether it was cutting the budget of fire departments, not refilling the reservoirs, ignoring deforesting guidelines under pressure from environmentalists or simply deflecting blame, California’s leaders are agonizingly inept — and it shows.
Newsom has been the physical embodiment of the shrugging emoji throughout this crisis.
Asked why there was no water in the hydrants, Newsom passed the buck: “Look, the local folks are trying to figure that out,” he said.
“I mean, those hydrants are typical for two or three fires — maybe one fire and you have something of this scale, but again that’s gonna be determined by the local.”
At least he spoke actual words.
Mayor Karen Bass shut down completely and looked catatonic when she was challenged by a reporter with questions like “Do you regret cutting the Fire Department budget by millions of dollars?” Blank stare.
The worst part is this crisis was entirely predictable — so predictable in fact that incoming president Donald Trump noted California’s ongoing water problem on Joe Rogan’s podcast three months ago.
And even the rich and famous in this lockstep-Democrat town have taken notice, openly wondering why their leadership has failed to such an extent.
“City of LA you want everyone to evacuate yet you have complete gridlock and not one traffic cop on the roads helping,” actress Sarah Michelle Gellar posted on her Instagram, tagging her absent Mayor Bass.
“Your far left policies have ruined our state. And also our party,” progressive-leaning actress Sara Foster scolded Bass and Newsom on X.
“Our reservoirs were emptied by our governor because tribal leaders wanted to save fish.”
Podcaster and comedian Adam Carolla pushed a Change.org petition demanding Bass’ immediate resignation.
“I’m pretty fed up, and I think a lot of people in Los Angeles are pissed,” actress/filmmaker Justine Bateman told Fox News.
“If [our politicians] can’t cover the basics,” like fire and police protection, “then get out . . . you are useless to us.”
Some celebrities physically assisted in the evacuation effort.
Actor Steve Guttenberg moved abandoned cars so emergency vehicles could get through and grabbed a TV news reporter to issue a plea that fleeing residents place their keys in the cars they leave behind.
Where were city and state leaders to send out such a message?
Now California’s rich and famous have a choice: They can move their state in a better direction.
They can break from their usual leftist conformity and speak the plain truth.
National Democrats and their media friends are already shifting to the pretense that this disaster was caused by climate change and not by bungling politicos.
But California’s elites have power — and they can use it to say no, that’s not what happened here.
What’s more, they can demand concrete changes to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
It will take bravery.
Breaking with the left is a difficult thing to do in a sea of deep blue.
Yet the Californians who woke up with this current crisis can’t go back to sleep now.
They have a state to save. |
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No comment other than to say I found this to the point and very interesting. Celebrities seem to have a lot of pull out there, I guess we'll see how much. Or, will they move to other states? While the film industry is mostly in CA (I think), why stay somewhere so poorly governed...............
Rams
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NewDustin
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JAN 12, 03:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
The best part is that the morons at CARB passed a law that bans any crop burning by our farmers. That means when the fruit/almond harvest is completed and they uproot the 1000's of acres of trees to replant, they now have to find somewhere to dispose of those trees instead of burning them, which is the way they have been doing it. Prices will skyrocket yet CARB is so stupid that they think they're saving the environment, meanwhile all the wildfires will continue to provide millions of miles of garbage into the air. I wonder if CARB will sue mother nature? |
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Crapping on the valley is one of CA's favorite past times. I remember when they decided wood burning stoves were causing too much pollution, and we needed "Spare the Air" days where people were prohibited from using the only means they had to heat their homes so LA and San Francisco could keep dumping pollution into the valley unimpeded.
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Raydar
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JAN 12, 06:15 PM
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I saw on the news/weather, yesterday(?) that the watch area had been extended down all the way to the border.
Y'all stay safe.
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maryjane
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JAN 12, 09:17 PM
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The US Navy has been fighting fires with salt water for over 100 years both ashore and afloat.
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blackrams
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JAN 12, 09:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
The US Navy has been fighting fires with salt water for over 100 years both ashore and afloat. |
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Just an assumption but, I'm thinking the higher ups didn't want to deal with corrosion issues in their pumps, tanks and other equipment but, when such a fire breaks out, someone should have made better decisions when it was realized how big this could have gotten with the limited fresh water supply. This assumes that person was even aware of the limitations and the forecasted weather/winds. Again, this is the kind of thing that happens when people are elected, promoted or hired based on things other than qualifications and expertise. Again, an assumption as it deals with the LA leadership. Obviously, as it pertains to wildfires, there wasn't much planning/consideration.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-12-2025).]
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maryjane
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JAN 12, 09:56 PM
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I figure someone within society didn't want their trees or nice shiny green lawns killed by salt water.
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Stingray92
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JAN 12, 10:04 PM
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I generally don't care to engage in these types of conversations but this has got to be one of the biggest wake up calls for all!
It's quite hard to fight a wood burning fire without water.
Worries about salt? Tell that to the millions who deal with the effects on their vehicles, run off into fresh water streams and yes fresh water reservoirs and watersheds.
For folks that live on the ocean coast, we'll they have to deal with salt spray as well.
Ok so your against salt water!
Well after the fire has burnt everything, not just homes, business, parks, it has also devastated power lines and anything else above ground.
Years ago I recall a grand plan to pull water from the Great Lakes out west. 1st off, no one has a right to mess with mother nature. 2nd where would this additional water to come to make up for those who wish to live in dryer climates?
I feel for the many people affected by this and pray they and the people who contributed to this mess learn something from it.
Using salt water while devastating would not have the billions of dollars required to restore the infrastructure so many depend on.
Oh but wait who gets to foot the bill for this ****!
Pissed!
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blackrams
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JAN 12, 10:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Stingray92:
I generally don't care to engage in these types of conversations but this has got to be one of the biggest wake up calls for all!
It's quite hard to fight a wood burning fire without water.
Worries about salt? Tell that to the millions who deal with the effects on their vehicles, run off into fresh water streams and yes fresh water reservoirs and watersheds.
For folks that live on the ocean coast, we'll they have to deal with salt spray as well.
Ok so your against salt water!
Well after the fire has burnt everything, not just homes, business, parks, it has also devastated power lines and anything else above ground.
Years ago I recall a grand plan to pull water from the Great Lakes out west. 1st off, no one has a right to mess with mother nature. 2nd where would this additional water to come to make up for those who wish to live in dryer climates?
I feel for the many people affected by this and pray they and the people who contributed to this mess learn something from it.
Using salt water while devastating would not have the billions of dollars required to restore the infrastructure so many depend on.
Oh but wait who gets to foot the bill for this ****!
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Well stated! 
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-12-2025).]
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