Offshore wind. Fresh 'take' from the PBS Nova franchise. A 'hack' uses air bubbles. (Page 3/4)
maryjane OCT 26, 02:53 AM
Have you ever seen how big offshore projects are built and assembled?

More often than not, the steel and concrete they are built of never see the land they are nearest to. It will be be spread out because terminal space is already a premium nearby.

This is no different than the land based wind farms, huge offshore drilling and production platforms, and even short lived drilling plays and I've certainly seen the boom/bust cycle of those projects.
Jobs? Probably a lot of temporary jobs during construction phase but once the platforms are set, the only work is going to be maintenance and control.
The unions will insist on getting their piece of the pie in the workboat construction, but that too will be temporary.

Total Energy/Rise has agreed to keep and retrain about 100 current Ravenswood power plant employees but that isn't 'new jobs'. Ravenswood will be shut down and Total will repurpose it's control room and just retrain those employees to do a similar job..
"Jobs could include operating the (wind turbine) project's control room, handling spare parts for servicing wind turbines and other logistics functions, the company said."

The thing about these projects (both on land and the offshore projects) that a lot of people don't understand....
These European companies don't only have the experience and engineering prowess to design the infrastructure, they , as ENERGY companies first and foremost, also are the 'operators' of the wind farms. THEY, get the proceeds from the power that is generated. IOW, for decades to come, they get the $$$ from every kw of power their turbines generate. This is USD going overseas, for decades to come even AFTER the blades first start turning in the wind.
The $$ from the temporary construction jobs are a pittance compared to this coming outlay.

Already, some of these European companies are beginning to reconsider their ventures, even before the first tower is constructed because the New York regulators have denied their requests to charge more for power generated offshore. The requests were to cover increased costs due to inflation and supply chain shortages.

""Sunrise Wind's viability and therefore ability to be constructed are extremely challenged without this adjustment," Danish energy company Orsted CEO Americas David Hardy told Reuters in an email." (Oct 12, 2023)


The following is just a sample of the problems:

https://www.barrons.com/art...nergy-costs-24a9b387
theogre OCT 31, 10:36 PM
Orsted scraps 2 offshore wind power projects in New Jersey. Here's why
https://6abc.com/new-jersey...ct-nj-news/13996674/

In short NJ didn't pay for their added demands.
But the state is still drinking the Koolaid & wants someone to build this pipe dream.
rinselberg NOV 01, 01:29 AM
"Wind Energy Nation" has its collective eyes on Dominion Energy's Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind (CVOW) project.


This was just posted on YouTube.

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cliffw NOV 02, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Wind Energy Nation" has its collective eyes on Dominion Energy's Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind (CVOW) project.


This was just posted on YouTube.



"Wind Energy Nation" ? Who are those fracks ?

Why do proponents of wind energy need Biden's blessing ? Are they kissing his ring, feet, or azz ?
rinselberg NOV 02, 11:26 AM

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On October 31, 2023, the Department of the Interior announced the approval of the construction and operation of the Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Commercial (CVOW-C) project offshore Virginia. Located approximately 23.5 nautical miles east of Virginia Beach, Virginia, the approved version of the project will have an estimated capacity of about 2,600 megawatts of clean energy, capable of powering over 900,000 homes.

The Record of Decision (ROD) documents the decision to approve the construction of 176 wind turbines and three offshore substations within the lease area.


U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Ocean Energy Management
https://www.boem.gov/renewa...te-activities/CVOW-C


Try building an offshore wind energy installation without getting permitted by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Ocean Energy Management... you'd be spending your days and nights in a federal "crossbar hotel" before you could sink the first pylon.

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cliffw NOV 02, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Ocean Energy Management
https://www.boem.gov/renewa...te-activities/CVOW-C


Try building an offshore wind energy installation without getting permitted by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Ocean Energy Management... you'd be spending your days and nights in a federal "crossbar hotel" before you could sink the first pylon.




The U.S. Department of the Interior ? The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management ?

Quit bloviating.

Try building an onshore wind energy installation without getting permitted by YOUR overlords.
rinselberg NOV 03, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

The U.S. Department of the Interior? The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management? Quit bloviating.

Try building an onshore wind energy installation without getting permitted by YOUR overlords.


I don't know what to make of that.

Did you think that when you were working in the oil fields, that the oil companies just decided to drill wherever they wanted, without getting permitted by the Department of the Interior?

I'm no expert when it comes to gas and oil extraction, but I can't imagine that the drill sites that employed you were not specifically authorized by the Department of the Interior.

?
cliffw NOV 06, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
I don't know what to make of that.

Did you think that when you were working in the oil fields, that the oil companies just decided to drill wherever they wanted, without getting permitted by the Department of the Interior?

I'm no expert when it comes to gas and oil extraction, but I can't imagine that the drill sites that employed you were not specifically authorized by the Department of the Interior.



You are no expert. Expect perhaps at being ignorant about the oil / gas drilling industry.

You started out being wrong. Did you think that the oil companies only drilled where they were told to drill, ?
cliffw NOV 06, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Offshore wind. Fresh 'take' from the PBS Nova franchise. A 'hack' uses air bubbles.



Do you think it is the noise which are killing whales, dolphins, and other aquatic mammals ?
maryjane NOV 07, 10:38 AM

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Since he took office in 2018, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy has been a strong supporter of renewable energy, and an ardent opponent of natural gas development. One of Murphy’s cornerstone projects has been a massive bet on offshore wind power to help combat climate change. That bet took a huge beating last Tuesday when Danish wind energy developer Orsted cancelled two large offshore wind development projects for the New Jersey coast. Orsted took this action, writing off $4 billion in the process, following massive losses it incurred in its North American projects, including New York as well, although it has not, yet, cancelled its projects in that neighboring State as it has now done in New Jersey.

Orsted’s initial project in New Jersey, called Ocean Wind 1, would have been that State’s first offshore wind farm. Ocean Wind 1 would have generated enough electricity to power 500,000 homes. The project was expected to come online in 2025. Ocean Wind 2, which was supposed to be the same size, was scheduled to begin generating energy for New Jersey in 2028.

However, on October 31, Orsted CEO Mads Nipper issued a statement in which he blamed the cancellation on “significant adverse developments from supply chain challenges, leading to delays in the project schedule, and rising interest rate.”

The sudden Orsted wind farm cancellation left the wind farm market in disarray and was a huge blow to Governor Murphy’s energy policies overall. Having previously taken strong action to kill natural gas projects such as the proposed Northeast Supply Enhancement Project in 2020, in heavy reliance on the expected benefits of wind power once Orsted 1 and 2 came online, Murphy now has nothing to replace that lost energy that would have been otherwise available – at generally lower cost – from the vast Marcellus Shale reserves in nearby Pennsylvania. The Governor’s policies, seemingly grounded more on wishful thinking than on reality, now look likely to throttle any New Jersey economic expansion in the short and medium term. Simply put, there are no feasible alternatives waiting in the wings to power New Jersey’s economy and serve its citizens, after Murphy put essentially all of his eggs in the wind power basket and lost that bet.

Meanwhile, the problems at Orsted are not unique to that company. Two other companies that signed contracts to build offshore wind projects in New York State also recently announced huge losses. Collectively, Norway's Equinor and BP of the United Kingdom, announced a total of $840 million in write-offs on their separate New York projects.

Siemens, the large German consortium, has also announced worse-than-expected losses in wind energy for fiscal year 2024. Indeed, the entirety of the wind industry globally appears to be running headlong into a huge economic problem. Even with the Inflation Reduction Act subsidies, given the convulsions in the wind market recently, there is no guarantee that any of these projects will work financially.