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blackrams
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JAN 25, 09:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I'd say that his path was picked for him by that particular hospital corporation who made their decision.
I have yet to see anything, anywhere, that suggests that something like this is in any way "standard" in hospitals across the country and, as always, patients are free to "shop around".
Which brings up another point; If you want to help encourage a black market in transplant organs and what is known as "medical tourism" that is how you do it.
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I guess he needs to shop hospitals. Sure hope he makes it long enough to do that. I asked my doc about this standard you speak of. She stated that she was not aware of a national standard but, every hospital doing such transplants she knew of required the COVID vaccination. It just so happens that her husband is, a kidney transplant recipient also. I tend to believe what she says.
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randye
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JAN 25, 09:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
It's clear to me that there are rules associated with this transplant just as there are rules to post on this forum.
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
So when some guy dies in combat fighting for freedom and his kids grow up without a father, its sad but the cost of freedom….
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GOOD GRIEF!
In the unofficial "Battle of Bad Analogies" it looks like the two of you are running neck & neck. 
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 10:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
GOOD GRIEF!
In the unofficial "Battle of Bad Analogies" it looks like the two of you are running neck & neck. |
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Well, that's a cute response, I'll give you that.
Would you prefer breaking traffic laws and the consequences of doing that? I mean really, if you knowingly don't follow the rules, does it matter what they are?
How about defying the laws of gravity?
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randye
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JAN 25, 10:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I asked my doc about this standard you speak of........I tend to believe what she says.
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Ron, you really need to stop seeing a veterinarian.
I know she's a lot cheaper and she probably keeps you up to date with your deworming medication and mange treatments, but still.....  [This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-25-2022).]
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 10:17 PM
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randye
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JAN 25, 10:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Well, that's a cute response, I'll give you that.
Would you prefer breaking traffic laws and the consequences of doing that? I mean really, if you knowingly don't follow the rules, does it matter what they are?
How about defying the laws of gravity?
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I happen to know as an absolute fact that in the past you have actually "beaten the laws of gravity into submission"
Not only that but you did it intentionally.
Quite obviously you believe that some rules are meant to be broken.
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 10:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I happen to know as an absolute fact that in the past you have actually "beaten the laws of gravity into submission"
Not only that but you did it intentionally.
Quite obviously you believe that some rules are meant to be broken. |
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So, you're avoiding answering with cute responses. Come on Randye, answer the question.
Hospital shopping hoping you can find another matching heart or new matching heart with vaccination. You're in that bed dying, decisions have consequences.........
Edited: That's OK, don't bother. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us, that includes you, me, MEM and others would take the new heart along with the required vaccination, rear those kids and live for a while longer.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-25-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 25, 10:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Are you going to go hospital shopping or get the heart that requires the vaccination?
Edited: And, please don't tell me you're worried about long term effects of the vaccination...........
Rams
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
So, you're avoiding answering with cute responses. Come on Randye, answer the question.
Hospital shopping hoping you can find another matching heart or new matching heart with vaccination. You're in that bed dying, decisions have consequences.........
Edited: That's OK, don't bother. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us, that includes you, me, MEM and others would take the new heart along with the required vaccination, rear those kids and live for a while longer.
Rams
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NOPE
Knowing what I know personally and professionally about organ transplants, and heart transplants in particular, I would probably NOT opt for the transplant.
Survival rates 1, 5, and 10 years after transplantation are 87%, 77%, and 57%, respectively, and the average life expectancy is 9.16 years.
The mental QOL (Quality Of Life) of patients 10 years after heart transplantation is similar to that among the general population, HOWEVER....
....the physical QOL is worse among patients when compared with the QOL of the general population, which includes predictors such as older age, being married, the presence of complications, and impaired renal function.
Simply put, I would never want to cling to such a handicapped life for only approx. 9 years or so, and in doing so become a financial or physical burden to my family.
But that's just me.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-25-2022).]
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 10:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Knowing what I know personally and professionally about organ transplants, and heart transplants in particular, I would probably NOT opt for the transplant.
Survival rates 1, 5, and 10 years after transplantation are 87%, 77%, and 57%, respectively, and the average life expectancy is 9.16 years.
The mental QOL (Quality Of Life) of patients 10 years after heart transplantation was similar to that among the general population, HOWEVER....
....the physical QOL was worse among patients when compared with the QOL of the general population, which includes predictors such as older age, being married, the presence of complications, and impaired renal function.
Simply put, I would never want to cling to such a handicapped life for only approx. 9 years or so, and in doing so become a financial or physical burden to my family.
But that's just me.
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OK, knowing what little I do know about you, I believe you.
But, I don't believe you represent the majority of the population.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-25-2022).]
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Patrick
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JAN 25, 11:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
"A 31-year-old father lost his opportunity for a heart transplant because he refused to get vaccinated against COVID-19..."
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Survival rates 1, 5, and 10 years after transplantation are 87%, 77%, and 57%, respectively, and the average life expectancy is 9.16 years.
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Being able to extend one's life by a third seems pretty good to me. And the fact that this fella is still relatively young at 31, I would think that he'd have a very good chance of surviving even longer than the 9.16 year average.
But no, apparently it's more important for this guy to make a point. Ummm... what was it again? 
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