EVs 'crush' gas/diesel. Greenhouse emissions from use, manufacture and supply chains. (Page 3/3)
williegoat JAN 25, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"Behold"

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Damn the (electric) torpedoes.
rinselberg JAN 25, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
Anybody proponents got a fix or we just going to promote the whole idea regardless of feasibility.


What is the awareness of EV adoption (or lack thereof) in our own neighborhoods and our own cities and counties?

Tesla EVs are a common sight on the roads I most often travel.
MidEngineManiac JAN 25, 01:58 PM
After playing with one since September, yes they are fun.

NO, I would not want it to be my only source of transportation. You need even a taxi--but something--for back-up.
2.5 JAN 25, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

NO, I would not want it to be my only source of transportation.



Yes the point, and a good one. Maybe some people get it.

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But yes indeed rinselburg I have seen an electric car.

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rinselberg JAN 25, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
My simplest and biggest concern with EV on a personal level would be the cold winters. Being caught in traffic for hours with heat and lights on. Long commutes. Not having a place to plug in at work. Places to plug in if on a trip. Planning your trip stops based on not being able to just top fuel off. WHat if I dont have 240 in the garage. Also a power large outage scenario means you cant travel far. It basically means nothing can travel.



Remember the Three 'R's



What are the Three 'R's..?
  • A power grid that's Robust, with the capacity to sustain EV charging demand 24/7.
  • A power grid that's Resilient, winterized and summer'ized for reliable operations during the harshest weather conditions year round.
  • A power grid that's Redundant, with backup capabilities to overcome the Single Point of Failure phenomenon.
"Finish the job: Congress passed infrastructure package, but Build Back Better investments are still needed"
OpEd from Sarah Ladislaw and John Larsen in The Hill; January 19, 2022.
https://thehill.com/opinion...ture-package-but-bbb

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In 2021, Congress passed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act — including around $60 billion for energy infrastructure such as transmission lines, electric vehicle (EV) charging, building weatherization and demonstration projects for new technologies like hydrogen, carbon capture and nuclear energy. This latest effort builds on the major investments already made in 2020 for clean energy innovation — spearheaded by Sens. Murkowski (R-Alaska) and Manchin (D-W.Va.) on the Senate Energy and Natural Resource Committee.

All of that funding is sorely needed to improve the resilience of our nation’s critical energy infrastructure and to bolster American competitiveness in the global competition to be a clean energy superpower.

But now, Congress risks wasting the full potential of the infrastructure bill investments if they fail to follow up by passing the Build Back Better (BBB) Act. Why? Because the infrastructure package only addresses half of the clean energy market. It invests in developing and driving down the initial costs of emerging clean technologies and pilot projects, but it does nothing to build the commercial demand to get them to scale in the time it’s needed most.



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Sarah Ladislaw is a Managing Director at RMI, where she leads the US Program. She also works on other global initiatives like the Mission Possible Partnership to reduce industrial-sector emissions and supports the development of green banks.


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John Larsen is a Partner at Rhodium Group and leads the firm’s US energy system and climate policy research.

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rinselberg JAN 26, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
My simplest and biggest concern with EV on a personal level would be the cold winters. Being caught in traffic for hours with heat and lights on. Long commutes. Not having a place to plug in at work. Places to plug in if on a trip. Planning your trip stops based on not being able to just top fuel off. WHat if I dont have 240 in the garage. Also a power large outage scenario means you cant travel far. It basically means nothing can travel.



"I Idled in an Electric Car for 12 Hours in the Freezing Cold to See What Would Happen"

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The I-95 shutdown [in Virginia] ignited a debate about EVs in winter, so I did an extraordinarily mundane test.


Alex Lauer for InsideHook; January 20, 2022.
https://www.insidehook.com/...s-freezing-cold-test



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The basic idea was this: I would sit in the car like I was stuck in traffic the entire time, keeping the cabin warm enough not just for me but for theoretical passengers as well, and see how much the range dropped in that time. The Mustang Mach-E I tested was a 2021 Premium AWD model with an extended range battery (88 kWh), which the EPA estimates at 270 miles of range on a full charge. But the delivery person who dropped it off told me it was a pre-production unit without all the software updates, so he said to expect a lower top range.


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I’d much rather be stuck in traffic in the heated seats of a [Ford Mustang] Mach-E than the [gasoline powered] car currently sitting in my frozen garage.

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2.5 JAN 27, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

A power grid that's Robust, with the capacity to sustain EV charging demand 24/7.
A power grid that's Resilient, winterized and summer'ized for reliable operations during the harshest weather conditions year round.
A power grid that's Redundant, with backup capabilities to overcome the Single Point of Failure phenomenon.




Ah, a grid impervious. High hopes.

The guy who tested the brand new unreleased model, it is interesting. A few key statements though:
"But the delivery person who dropped it off told me it was a pre-production unit without all the software updates, so he said to expect a lower top range."
He also says:
"turning the car off for periods of 15-30 minutes a handful of times to conserve energy." Details?

Anyway hopefully people understand my point. Relying just on electric for, well.. everything in society, is a bad idea. Maybe that is just what they are saying because of the push, but if that is indeed what they want, bad idea.

Also, did they fix the microchip / precious metal shortage yet?
rinselberg JAN 27, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:

Ah, a grid impervious. High hopes. . . . Anyway hopefully people understand my point. Relying just on electric for, well.. everything in society, is a bad idea. Maybe that is just what they are saying because of the push, but if that is indeed what they want, bad idea.

Also, did they fix the microchip / precious metal shortage yet?


I don't think GM is all that worried about it.


"GM to spend $6.6 billion on EV plant investments in bid to dethrone Tesla in electric car sales by 2025"
Michael Wayland for CNBC; January 25, 2022.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/0...v-sales-by-2025.html


"GM to form new joint venture to produce crucial materials for EVs"

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[Cathode Active Materials] represent about 40% of the cost of a battery cell, the automaker said. GM’s new batteries use cathodes made of nickel, cobalt and other materials.


Michael Wayland for CNBC; December 1, 2021.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/1...terials-for-evs.html

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rinselberg JAN 27, 03:53 PM
"Fed Chair, Ford CEO agree: No quick fix for semiconductor [microchips] crunch"
Suzanne O'Halloran , Edward Lawrence and Grady Trimble for Fox Business; January 27, 2022.
https://www.foxbusiness.com...ing-view-chip-crisis

This impacts the manufacture and maintenance (I guess) of all road vehicles, not just EVs.

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2.5 JAN 27, 04:06 PM
Yes it impacts everything that uses a microchip.