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williegoat
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DEC 12, 02:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
98%?! The survival rate is 99.85% and higher than that for under 50s (from memory).
There should be a standard test for people to pass before they are allowed to participate in topical discussion.
Nothing should've been shut down. |
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So what you are suggesting is that some people should be silenced. How ironic.
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rinselberg
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DEC 12, 03:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
98%?! The survival rate is 99.85% and higher than that for under 50s (from memory).
There should be a standard test for people to pass before they are allowed to participate in topical discussion.
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But the hospitals, morgues and mortuaries and other funerary service providers were being overrun with so many new "customers." Including some very non-senior citizens.Crisis actors? Mass hysteria? Misleading media reports? You think the pandemic should have just been allowed the leeway to run its course here in the U.S. without any of the lockdowns or other restrictions on the public?
Well you do, or you say you do. So I guess that was a rhetorical question. At the very end, there.
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blackrams
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DEC 12, 04:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
So what you are suggesting is that some people should be silenced. How ironic. |
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Actually, I think not, just someone trolling and looking for an argument.
Rams
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randye
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DEC 12, 05:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I thought about this for a while and I agree that no one wants to sacrifice a loved one for the sake of the economy but, then I remembered that percentage that keeps getting thrown out about a 98% survival rate of COVID. The economy effects all. I'm still thinking the economy and inflation will play a bigger role than this COVID issue by itself. Yes, COVID is a factor in the economy. So, yes, I do think folks will vote according to their check and savings accounts over the 2% of non-survivors.
Rams
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Best estimates of "single issue voters" in US puts them at approx. 8% of the total registered electorate.
This obviously means that 92% of the electorate bases their voting decision on a minimum of two or more issues.
Trying to determine what will be "the biggest issue" in an election has been the errand of fools and political pollsters for generations.
Believing that it is somehow a fictitious binary choice between only two issues is nonsense.
Nobody is "sacrificing" a loved one for a loaf of bread or the economy. That is a straw man argument and is also complete nonsense.
The vast majority of people will make their voting decision based on Covid and the economy and other factors.
(e.g. abortion, climate, illegal immigration, social security, national defense....and a VERY long list of other issues.....)[This message has been edited by randye (edited 12-12-2021).]
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blackrams
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DEC 12, 05:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
The vast majority of people will make their voting decision based on Covid and the economy and other factors.
(e.g. abortion, climate, illegal immigration, social security, national defense....and a VERY long list of other issues.....)
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Of course, you're correct on the multiple issues point, I simply believe the economy will be the biggest issue. Just an opinion (and, it's all mine) 
Rams
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sourmash
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DEC 12, 07:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
So what you are suggesting is that some people should be silenced. How ironic. |
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They should self-police. But you have to have most things pointed out to you. The speech YOU try to stop is factual, because you get offended. People like me don't fear truth.
The days of you guys posting erroneous stuff, let's end that.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 12-13-2021).]
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sourmash
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DEC 12, 07:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
But the hospitals, morgues and mortuaries and other funerary service providers were being overrun with so many new "customers." Including some very non-senior citizens.Crisis actors? Mass hysteria? |
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Call them what they are; 'vaxed'.
Before the injection caused deaths, deaths were easy to address. Shut nothing down. Protect the at-risk people. The shut down was devised to set a destructive ripple through the world economy. The .01% got the trillions in new wealth while main street lost the same amount.
| quote | | Misleading media reports? You think the pandemic should have just been allowed the leeway to run its course here in the U.S. without any of the lockdowns or other restrictions on the public? |
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It wasnt a pandemic. It's doing more than running it's course now with all the injected people creating breakthrough variants that wouldn't exist.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 12-12-2021).]
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blackrams
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DEC 13, 12:25 PM
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 All viruses mutate.
Rams
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sourmash
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DEC 13, 12:38 PM
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So we might as well accelerate that by using experimental gene therapies for something that has a 99.85% total survival rate.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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DEC 13, 12:47 PM
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MJ, Black, etc...
The problem I have with these numbers is I believe them to be significantly inflated.
Some facts:
The United States has the HIGHEST number of reported COVID deaths, than any other country in the entire world. We are listed as having over 775k COVID deaths.
The next two countries are Brazil (~600K), and India, (~450k).
So... in simple terms, the United States has somehow managed almost DOUBLE the number of COVID deaths, than India, that has almost 4 times the population of the United States.
There are two logical things that we can conclude from this:
1 - The vaccines are killing people at a higher rate, or the vaccine is leading people to be more contagious and die more quickly.
2 - The numbers are vastly exaggerated, we haven't had anywhere near that many deaths, or every other country is under-counting.
You have to pick one of these two options, because it's statistically impossible for the United States to have 1/4th the population but twice the number of deaths. We are also, significantly more vaccinated as a population than Brazil and India is.
Personally, I don't think the the vaccines are leading to us dying more easily... but I had to put that in there because if you believe the numbers to be correct, then it is the only other alternative.
What I do believe, is that the numbers are nonsense. We already know that COVID DEATHs... are not the same thing as "death by COVID." The United States is the ONLY country that evaluates covid / death cases in this way, and the numbers very obviously show it. The United States incentivizes labeling a death as a COVID death, because the hospital gets more money. A DX of COVID immediately gets additional funds in the same way that Lyme Disease and HIV also gets additional funds. We already know too that many state health officials (including the famous one from the lady from Illinois) who specifically stated that if you died in a car accident, but had COVID at the time of death, you are considered a COVID death. Please let me know if anyone needs me to find this video and repost it if you've forgotten.
So... I think these numbers are absurd. It's unfortunate, because I think a lot of people have died, but we've muddled our numbers significantly, and it makes us look ridiculous, when in fact we were literally the ones who created the vaccines and got the vaccination first.
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