Countries behaving badly....Russia and China (Page 3/3) maryjane DEC 06, 11:42 PM I would think Ukraine would be a more pressing issue than Taiwan and if Putin decides to turn his 175,000 troops on Ukraine, there is little or nothing NATO can do about itt short of going to war against Russia..................and Russia holds a trump card there in the amount of petroleum products Europe gets from Russia. Those troops can probably sweep thru Ukraine before NATO gets out of barracks. You can hold China out of Taiwan comparatively easy with air and sea power, but the same would prove very difficult in stopping Russian ground troops. I don't think Europe is ready, capable, or willing to go to war over Ukraine. Putin probably won't pay much attention to threats of economic sanctions either. Hudini DEC 07, 05:49 AM Russia has, what, 1/8th of the world's inhabitable land mass? They have oil and natural resources for hundreds of years. I always thought if they adopted capitalism they could be the strongest nation on earth. I wonder how they line up with the globalists? blackrams DEC 07, 05:54 AM quote Originally posted by maryjane: I would think Ukraine would be a more pressing issue than Taiwan and if Putin decides to turn his 175,000 troops on Ukraine, there is little or nothing NATO can do about itt short of going to war against Russia..................and Russia holds a trump card there in the amount of petroleum products Europe gets from Russia. Those troops can probably sweep thru Ukraine before NATO gets out of barracks. You can hold China out of Taiwan comparatively easy with air and sea power, but the same would prove very difficult in stopping Russian ground troops. I don't think Europe is ready, capable, or willing to go to war over Ukraine. Putin probably won't pay much attention to threats of economic sanctions either. We agree on Ukraine, if Putin really wants it, he'll take it and the world will stand by and watch. NATO won't do much but rattle their sabers and most of the world doesn't believe our current administration has the gonads to actually help defend our allies. The question is, what does Putin believe.......... Not so sure about the Taiwan being all that easy to hold China off with military intervention. If they really want it, they can overwhelm Taiwan's military and be on the ground within a couple of days with overwhelming forces. Boots on the ground mean everything. I doubt we can react quickly enough with sufficient force to deter them and the question still exists on whether or not we have the will to even do that. I may be wrong and hope I am wrong, I just don't see a carrier group (even with all it's firepower) stopping a determined China to take Taiwan. Rams sourmash DEC 07, 08:54 AM Seems to me that NATO and the USA are instigating an issue with Russia in the Ukraine to start a new war. 1) that's what the USA does. 2) there's no way out of this national debt without a global reset. Wars are used for that purpose. 2.5 DEC 07, 09:01 AM quote Originally posted by sourmash: To gain what, is my answer. Russia knows Biden isn't in control of his administration and isn't setting policy. Whatever their "hay" is. quote Originally posted by williegoat: They know that Biden will not stand in their way, so they are going to make hay while the sun shines. sourmash DEC 07, 09:53 AM Anyone who thinks Biden is leading anything or directing anything is a fool. Russia is a country full of people who are now hated. You and I are hated by our controllers here in the USA. "They" would very much like the hated Russian people and the hated people in the USA to kill each other. A new war like WWI and II to kill more of us.