Oxford Michigan School Shooting (Page 3/4)
maryjane DEC 03, 04:14 PM
Baldwin "never pulled the trigger"
Hudini DEC 03, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Good!! Its time to hold people responsible for the little shits they are bringing up. I hope it continues. This is not a gun issue, this is a parent issue.



Sometimes yes but be careful. Some people are just wired wrong from the start.
randye DEC 03, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The parents of the killer have been charged with manslaughter.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12...rents-oxford-charged

My first impression is that this is reasonable. Of course, I don't know all of the details yet.




If some of the salient facts of these articles are correct, then I'm going to have to lean toward unreasonable.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/...arged-182447458.html

https://news.yahoo.com/char...xford-135848170.html

While the parents might have done some things that some people find to be unwise or imprudent, those acts do not necessarily rise to the level of unlawful.

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williegoat DEC 03, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by randye:


If some of the salient facts of these articles are correct, then I'm going to have to lean toward unreasonable.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/...arged-182447458.html

https://news.yahoo.com/char...xford-135848170.html

While the parents might have done some things that some people find to be unwise or imprudent, those acts do not necessarily rise to the level of unlawful.



Well, they were charged, not convicted. The facts should come out in the trial. The charges seem reasonable.

On that very day, the parents and a school administrator sat in an office with the kid and his backpack, which contained the weapon, and discussed the drawings made by the kid which depicted a gun and bleeding bodies. Why did the parents not ask where the gun was? Why did no one search the backpack? This could have been prevented with a little bit of common sense.
williegoat DEC 03, 05:42 PM
Just as the Waukesha killings could have been prevented by not releasing a violent criminal, these killings could have been prevented by confiscating the gun. The school may not have had the right to do so, but the parents certainly could have.
Jake_Dragon DEC 03, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Just as the Waukesha killings could have been prevented by not releasing a violent criminal, these killings could have been prevented by confiscating the gun. The school may not have had the right to do so, but the parents certainly could have.



Or if they would have locked it up in the first place. Perhaps they can plea it down to a lesser charge but its time to stop blaming an inanimate object and start looking at the people responsible.
sourmash DEC 03, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Good!! Its time to hold people responsible for the little shits they are bringing up. I hope it continues.



Yeah, that ain't happening anywhere near a "diverse" neighborhood. Only for us. They get out with $100 and mow down Christmas paraders.
randye DEC 03, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Or if they would have locked it up in the first place. Perhaps they can plea it down to a lesser charge but its time to stop blaming an inanimate object and start looking at the people responsible.





And then we are right back to what I just said earlier...

Failing to lock up that firearm might have been unwise or imprudent but it is not a crime in Michigan, ( Yes, I looked it up).

I also haven't seen anything reported that the parents are alleging that the gun did the shooting and not their son.

All of the "shoulda, coulda, woulda" speculation after the fact is just exactly that....speculation.....and presumption.

The school reportedly told the parents that they had to get their son into counseling within 48 hours.....THEN THE SCHOOL RETURNED HIM TO CLASSES AFTER THE MEETING instead of expelling him.

Should the school officials involved be similarly charged with 4 counts of unintentional manslaughter?

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williegoat DEC 03, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by randye:

Should the school officials involved be similarly charged with 4 counts of unintentional manslaughter?



Probably not because, unlike the parents, they made an effort to mitigate the threat, but received no cooperation from the parents.
randye DEC 03, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Probably not because, unlike the parents, they made an effort to mitigate the threat, but received no cooperation from the parents.



The school never searched the boy's backpack but under Michigan state law and TLO vs New Jersey (SCOTUS 1985), they had every legal right to do so and, some would also argue, a responsibility to the safety of the other students in their school to do so.

From a simple search of the kid to suspension / expulsion there were several steps that the state failed to take to mitigate the threat.

What is the basis of your assertion that there was "no cooperation from the parents" ?

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