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| What is everyone's thoughts on the "vaccine" mandate? (Page 3/18) |
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Jake_Dragon
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NOV 07, 03:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Who says "Even if you received the vaccine you should still stay put and not go outside"..?
I've seen and heard that your receiving the vaccine significantly reduces the chances that you will suffer the worst or nearly the worst that can come from being infected by Covid, that it reduces your chances of having even an asymptomatic or mild case of Covid, and that it reduces the chances that you will communicate (spread) the Covid infection to anyone else, even if you, as a vaccinated individual, do get infected with Covid in a "breakthrough" infection.
It's about risk reduction, not risk elimination.
I heard it on the grapevine.
I've seen it in the media. |
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Please the government and media can not make up their mind. People are so confused that they don't know.
Me personally I would be all Florida over this but my girlfriend is 100% CA and I just want to find a balance.
So you want a recent link? I can't give it to you, I don't watch the news anymore as I don't trust it. Who do we believe?
I fall back on what I have always done, if you are sick stay home. Don't do stupid **** and you will be ok.
But I love my GF and respect her wishes, I hope that the world can recover and we can get back to some balance.
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 04:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Please the government and media can not make up their mind. People are so confused that they don't know. |
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Stop paying attention to the likes of Tucker Carlson. He doesn't even represent a common perspective about the vaccines at his own (Fox) news channel, much less a common perspective at large. Pay attention to the right-wingers and anti-establishment types that went on TV, radio or social media to "diss" the Covid vaccines, then got sick with Covid themselves and admitted they were wrong about it.
| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Me personally I would be all Florida over this but my girlfriend is 100% CA and I just want to find a balance.
So you want a recent link? I can't give it to you, I don't watch the news anymore as I don't trust it. Who do we believe?
I fall back on what I have always done, if you are sick stay home. Don't do stupid **** and you will be ok.
But I love my GF and respect her wishes, I hope that the world can recover and we can get back to some balance. |
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Odds are, most people will be "OK." Even if they don't get vaccinated. But their odds of being "OK" are even better if they take one of the Covid vaccines.
It sounds like your GF is apprehensive because of the relative newness or novelty of the Covid vaccines--although the vaccines have now been going into arms for about an entire year, if memory serves me.
I keep in mind the relative newness or novelty of the Covid disease.
I've had the two-dose Moderna vaccine (with no side effects or any other negativity on my part, about the experience) and think I will get a Covid booster early in 2022, about 8 months after the second of the two Moderna shots that went into my arm.
Do I know what was in the syringe when I got the Moderna vaccine?
Not exactly. I've read about it in the non-specialist media. That the Moderna and Pfizer "MRNA" kinds of vaccines are being described in certain quarters as some kind of genetic or DNA "therapy" is--in my opinion--a canard.
I am due for another Tetanus (TDAP, I think, or is it TADP?) inoculation. Do I know what's going to be in that syringe? Not exactly. It's a vaccine that has a longer history than any of the Covid vaccines, but do I know that the formulation has not been changed recently? "Tweaked" as it were? Not really.
The Pfizer Covid vaccine has been fully authorized by the FDA. It's not being administered to the adult population under an Emergency Use Authorization anymore.
I expect the Moderna and J&J vaccines will be fully authorized by the FDA and take their place on the bartender's shelf of fully FDA-authorized vaccines for the adult population soon. It takes a long time for the "red tape" of dotting the eyes and crossing the tees.
"Prove me wrong" as one of the other forum members has had a penchant for saying.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-07-2021).]
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sourmash
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NOV 07, 04:33 PM
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"Two weeks to flatten the curve."
Why make it harder than it has to be? Just listen to the CDC, Fauci, fedgov and similar foreign entities. The story keeps changing. They changed definitions to pretend this is a pandemic and they have vaccines.
The experimental injections efficacy claims have gone from 90+% to around 40% claims. Now you need a booster, now they're working on a 4th. Masks aren't needed, masks are needed, injected people can't spread it, they aren't dying, then they do spread it and are dying from it. There are no long term adverse effects, then they admit it's killing people. But they don't count people who are less than 14 days injected. Oh, and myocarditis and pericarditis. Athletes are dying of heart attacks on the court and field.
Every week new admissions are made retracting previous claims made by the experts and governments. I'm pretty confident some of you who took these shots and are reading will not be with us in the short term. More of you will be here, but suffering new health concerns that will shorten your lives. Heart problems will be common.
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Jake_Dragon
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NOV 07, 04:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The Pfizer Covid vaccine has been fully authorized by the FDA. It's not being administered to the adult population under an Emergency Use Authorization anymore.
I expect the Moderna and J&J vaccines will be fully authorized by the FDA and take their place on the bartender's shelf of fully FDA-authorized vaccines for the adult population soon. It takes a long time for the "red tape" of dotting the eyes and crossing the tees.
"Prove me wrong" as one of the other forum members has had a penchant for saying.
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A hemophilia treatment was at one time FDA approved and gave a bunch of people aids.
I would like to think as a species we are smarter, but its not about smart. They knew it was a risk and what it was going to cost to make it safe.
Some of the drug companies said it couldn't be done until a drug company in another country made its safe.
So FDA doesn't hold as much water as you would expect.
Guess we will have to wait and see, perhaps the preventive measures will prove to be enough. Or perhaps nature will do what it wants and we as a species will adapt.
Regardless you can't put the cat back in the bag, now its all about living with the damn thing until one of us is dead.
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sourmash
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NOV 07, 04:46 PM
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Stop being a fat a**. Do some exercise. Get healthy so you can get off all the meds requited to maintain a fat lazy lifestyle. If you're old and weak, you're at risk. Otherwise, no. You aren't.
Yeah, a small percentage have heart, lung liver conditions that aren't caused by lifestyle. They're a very small percentage. Nobody else is at risk.
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Fats
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NOV 07, 08:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Not exactly. I've read about it in the non-specialist media. That the Moderna and Pfizer "MRNA" kinds of vaccines are being described in certain quarters as some kind of genetic or DNA "therapy" is--in my opinion--a canard.
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What I take from this is that even you don't believe the media on any of this.
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Fats
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NOV 07, 08:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
With very few exceptions, I am whole heartedly against mandating vaccinations. But, I do believe most folks should be vaccinated against COVID. Most folks have made up their minds and will either suffer through COVID or die trying. I view it as their decision. I simply hope they don't bring COVID home to their friends and loved ones. The vast majority of folks that get infected with COVID will survive as the data has proven, those with immunity issues, those with obesity issues, those with aging issues IMHO should get immunized with one of the EUA vaccines. But, that's their choice. I got my vaccination and am glad I did. Don't care if other's do or don't.
You're correct about a lot of lies being spread. I'm quite sure there will be several told if this thread lasts very long.
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OK, but since the shot doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, how does it change anything that happens if they do or don't get the shot?
My Mom told me just a few hours ago that she has stopped her cancer checks (she is in a really high risk segment) because the doctors office is requiring covid tests, and flu tests prior to any office visit, and you can't get the tests within their system for some strange reason. So, in order to have her doctors appointment, she has to get a referral to another doctor who isn't in her network for the covid/flu tests within a week of her appointment, and then she has to take the results in to "confirm" her appointment. We live an hour from everything, and she can't afford (physically) the extra drives back and forth to the city for something that isn't even helpful... She could easily get covid anytime after she is tested, heck, she could get it when she is tested and it would be a negative result. She tried to go to the local Hospital and get her covid test there today, they told her they can't do it because they are in teh same network as her doctor. It's some kind of screwed up bizzaro world.
She has had three covid shots at this point, the two initial, and a "booster". I don't know if she has her flu shot yet, but she gets it every year so far.
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randye
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NOV 07, 10:08 PM
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As far as "Mandates" go, and as far as I'm concerned when "Brandon" goes on live TV and has the unbelievable lunatic gall to actually tell the American people:
"We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin" as he announces his clearly unconstitutional vaccine mandates, a HUGE RED LINE into tyranny has been crossed.
Just WHO THE ACTUAL F**K does he think he is talking to?
That is the language of tyrants and dictators, NOT a servant of We The People.
Brandon can take his "patience" along with his "mandate" and stuff it straight up his reportedly over-active and under-controlled anus.
Government authoritarianism under the guise of medicine.
My state Governor aptly expressed a lot of my thoughts on this:
[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-07-2021).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 10:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
What I take from this is that even you [rinselberg] don't believe the media on any of this. |
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I didn't make that clear. Sorry for that. No, I DO believe the reports that I have read about the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines in the non-specialist and "establishment" media like the New York Times, NBC News and such. These MRNA vaccines are designed to put Messenger Ribonucleic Acid or MRNA into the recipient's body in order to provoke an immunizing response. The MRNA in these vaccines is designed to cause the recipient's own cells (muscle cells, I think) to create a protein that mimics the Covid virus "spike" and in so doing, "trick" the recipient's own system into reacting by creating the antibodies and T-cells that provide immunity against the Covid virus.
What I disagree with are the people who have been describing these Covid vaccines with terminologies like "gene therapy", or saying that these Covid vaccines have the potential to change a vaccinated person's DNA. That, I believe, is a canard. A boogeyman. A deception that heightens apprehensions and fears about the vaccines that is not based on science.
| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
OK, but since the [Covid] shot doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, how does it change anything that happens if they do or don't get the shot? |
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Based on the various media reports that I have read or seen, I am led to believe that it is more likely than not that the Covid vaccines reduce a vaccinated person's ​chances of becoming infected, and even if they do become infected--a "breakthrough" infection--it's less likely that they will spread the virus to anyone else, compared to an unvaccinated person who becomes infected with the virus.
All told, the upsides of being vaccinated are greater than the downsides of being vaccinated, in terms of a priori probabilities--the probabilities that an unvaccinated person would logically consider.
It you take a person who has been vaccinated and it can be shown that this person suffered a bad outcome from being vaccinated--that's post priori.
| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
My Mom . . . |
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That's just screwed up. I wouldn't know where to start with the blame. But I wouldn't be too quick to point my finger at "Brandon."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-07-2021).]
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blackrams
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NOV 07, 10:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
OK, but since the shot doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, how does it change anything that happens if they do or don't get the shot?
SNIP
She has had three covid shots at this point, the two initial, and a "booster". I don't know if she has her flu shot yet, but she gets it every year so far. |
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Regardless of what some claim, the COVID vaccinations reduce the symptoms and save lives. I've posted this stuff before, most folks have already made their decision and it's their to make. Some won't agree and that's alright, it's their decision, I'm past caring what adults decide to do on this topic.
What I really have a problem with is mandating the COVID vaccinations and forcing folks into submission (with a few exceptions). As I understand it, 29 states have filed suit to stop President Biden's/OSHA's requirement for employees. Even with the high survival rate, there are many that should (IMO) take precautionary steps to include the vaccinations. I said should, I didn't say forced to. I'm sad to learn your Mom is having all the difficulty. Hopefully, things will improve for her.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 11-08-2021).]
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