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SEP 10, 12:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
The thing I have learned about History and Biography is that the author is 100% in control of what sources get presented, which ones don't, whether or not they honor the context, etc. Subconscious bias can not be avoided in these selections, and of course there is also the problem of conscious bias to be considered ... |
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This might be the first time I've quoted myself  .
On the regrettable feature of bias there is a fantastic little book by Stephen E. Ambrose, called "To America: Personal Reflections of an Historian." You should read it before today's cultural leaders rediscover it and ban it from libraries everywhere. You might know of Ambrose from his WW2 epics, like "Band of Brothers."
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randye
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SEP 10, 12:31 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
Randye the local Gestapo "Ocifer" has spoken and wants to eliminate anyone who doesn't TOTALLY agree with his lord and master (Is that Chumpy or Putin?)
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Sorry SOAPY but I don't think anyone has clue what the hell you are trying to babble about.
Be sure to get back to us if you ever become coherent.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 09-10-2021).]
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randye
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SEP 10, 12:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
The thing I have learned about History and Biography is that the author is 100% in control of what sources get presented, which ones don't, whether or not they honor the context, etc. Subconscious bias can not be avoided in these selections, and of course there is also the problem of conscious bias to be considered. Sadly the result is that you can read two biographies of REL, for example, and come away with quite different impressions of the man. I agree with Pres Trump when he said that if Lee had accepted command of the Northern armies the war would have been quickly won (over in 'a day' is just Trump hyperbole). I'm not sure about how hard he worked for reconciliation but he certainly didn't work to establish and grow Southern terrorism in the form of the KKK focused on the newly freed Blacks, White Republicans, and sympathizers, like others did.
My 'vote' is to keep the history visible, explain it, and help each other learn from what went before us. I feel that with each statue that comes down we lose the opportunity to talk about it with our children.
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Now THAT is a well considered and crafted post.
I applaud you.
I can only add that Chairman Mao's Red Guards destroyed statues and books precisely so that "unapproved history" was hidden and could never be talked about by future generations.
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SEP 10, 08:45 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Now THAT is a well considered and crafted post.
I applaud you [Notorio.] |
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Would Notorio have created and put on display his "well considered and crafted post" if I hadn't created this thread?
Think about it.
This is why forum member "randye" is mindlessly bloviating when he goes on (as he did earlier in this thread) about "attention whoring."
"Attention whoring" is what he says when I have the "audacity" to create a topic or post a message. It really sticks in his craw that despite "umpteen" years of frantic and frenetic effort on his part, he's never been able to "badmouth" me enough to discourage me from saying most of the things that I want to say on this forum. No one can be well read in the "annals" of this forum and not be aware of that.
As I said previously--but it bears repeating--I just used the forum Search function to look at some numbers.
The ten (10) most recent Totally O/T forum topics created by forum member "randye" stretch all the way back to October 2020, or almost a year ago.
The ten (10) most recent Totally O/T forum topics created by me go back to August 14, or almost a month ago.
This is why I've said--more than once--that forum member "randye" sounds (or reads) as if he would rather have a Totally O/T-themed screensaver display--an unchanging image or "wallpaper" that he could look at from time to time throughout his day--instead of an active discussion forum or messages board.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-10-2021).]
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sourmash
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SEP 10, 09:02 AM
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Is your arm sore? Or is it your back?
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olejoedad
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SEP 10, 09:03 AM
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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RandomTask
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SEP 10, 10:00 AM
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It was built 25 years after the war to romanticize a lost cause. Losers (read: traitors) don't get participation trophies.
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sourmash
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SEP 10, 10:23 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask:
It was built 25 years after the war to romanticize a lost cause. Losers (read: traitors) don't get participation trophies. |
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False on all counts. Yes traitors do. The winning traitors write history. Lincoln was a war criminal and traitor. He got what he was asking for. He told his traitor generals that he wouldn't prosecute them after the war for war crimes just as long as they won the war. The carpet-baggers should've hanged, also.
As proof of fact, they had to create the Posse Comitatus act due to the brutality committed agaisnt citizens by The New Union forces. It exists today, still.
The statue and many others were conciliatory offerings, in part due to the tyranny and treason committed against The South.
The cause that was lost was greater freedom of a citizen through States Rights.
The line to where we have become this failed culture and society of today is a straight line going through that war, to the Fed Reserve Act, through WW2 and the immigration act of 1965(date?).
Personally, there are other reasons that The South wasnt the epitome of a free state that I would desire, but the Empire of Hollywood should have never deserved to become a thing.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 09-10-2021).]
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randye
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SEP 10, 06:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask:
Losers (read: traitors) don't get participation trophies.
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If you Leftists were actually serious about tearing down everything that had to do with losers, traitors, insurrectionists and supporting slavery you would be insisting on tearing down THE DEMORAT PARTY
You're only interested in trying to hide it's true legacy.
THE DEMORAT PARTY HAS NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED OR APOLOGIZED FOR IT'S DEFENSE OF SLAVERY AND IT'S INSURRECTION
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randye
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SEP 10, 06:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
....if I hadn't created this thread
Think about it.
The ten (10) most recent Totally O/T forum topics created by me go back to August 14, or almost a month ago.
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Now tell everyone how many of your 10,860+ posts on PFF since you slithered in here back in March 2010 have been...
..... anywhere outside of O/T
We'll wait....
It shouldn't take you too long......
But don't take too long because I don't think you have all that much longer to be here.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 09-10-2021).]
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