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FieroSTETZ AUG 17, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Get ready to be flooded with new Afghan Americans.



The ones that helped US forces really deserve a path to citizenship, they took massive risks for US interests.
sourmash AUG 17, 11:16 AM
You've seen what happened in Europe with Syrian refugees, 30 year old Pakistani males claiming to be children competing in high school sports.

We'll get tons of phony claimed asylum seekers. After all, you can't replace Americans unless you let in an invading horde.

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Jake_Dragon AUG 17, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:

The ones that helped US forces really deserve a path to citizenship, they took massive risks for US interests.



Like the women that showed up for work and it was deserted?
What do you think will happen to these people?
williegoat AUG 17, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Like the women that showed up for work and it was deserted?
What do you think will happen to these people?


They are in for a rough ride.

How can we expect anyone to trust America now?
Who will the oppressed look to now?
We have let them down. The Grand Lady's torch has been extinguished.
FieroSTETZ AUG 17, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Like the women that showed up for work and it was deserted?
What do you think will happen to these people?



They're absolutely in for a rough time. Every time we screw up and abandon people that helped us, it makes trust harder to win next time.

I'm also greatly concerned about what's going to happen to women now that the Taliban is taking over. Teachers have already said the tearful goodbyes to their female students, knowing that once the Taliban is fully in charge, educating women will no longer be permitted. The whole situation is a big, 20 something year long turd sandwich with a bullshit bun.
williegoat AUG 17, 04:02 PM
The Russians were there for ten years and didn't accomplish a GD thing. I still don't understand why anyone thought we would do any better.

Sometimes I think we should team up with the Ruskies, wipe out the whole GD region and then divide up what's left.
(OK, before anyone decides to get all high and mighty, the above is not a serious proposition, so calm down)
kslish AUG 17, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The Russians were there for ten years and didn't accomplish a GD thing. I still don't understand why anyone thought we would do any better.




The Russians actually managed to put in place a government that managed to hold power for 3 years. The collapse of the Soviet Union cut off the supply of funds and weapons to the PDPA (the Soviet backed People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan) causing it to be overrun by the PDPA’s major opponent, the mujahideen, which was the Taliban’s precursor, who also enjoyed substantial support from the United States at the time. Kind of ironic now.

rinselberg AUG 17, 08:46 PM
Even Alexander the Great was thwarted in his effort to invade and dominate the lands and people of that time that we now call "Afghanistan."

Maybe that's because he wasn't a heterosexual. Or wasn't a 100 percent heterosexual.

Oh wait--forum member randye already memorably debunked that idea.

Is the forum going to be hearing from any irate or angry descendants of Alexander the Great?
williegoat AUG 17, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by kslish:


The Russians actually managed to put in place a government that managed to hold power for 3 years. The collapse of the Soviet Union cut off the supply of funds and weapons to the PDPA (the Soviet backed People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan) causing it to be overrun by the PDPA’s major opponent, the mujahideen, which was the Taliban’s precursor, who also enjoyed substantial support from the United States at the time. Kind of ironic now.


So, what you are saying is, when Russia left, Afghanistan returned to chaos.
kslish AUG 17, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

So, what you are saying is, when Russia left, Afghanistan returned to chaos.



Yes, and no. Russia withdrew it's troops in 1989. The Russian backed Afghanistan government wasn't defeated until 1992 when Russia obviously had more pressing domestic issues to deal with (the collapse of the USSR) than to be supplying arms and money to a foreign proxy government. But between 1989 and 1992 the Soviet backed army of the Republic of Afghanistan didn't loose control of one city to the mujahideen rebels.

The fact that the mujahideen were also armed with American Stinger missiles and other arms supplied by the United States didn't help when the supply chain from Russia to the Afghan army was abruptly shut off.

It was a whole twisted "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing that contributed to the turmoil. In retrospect, we probably should have stayed out of it then.....but if the USSR was involved somewhere, we'd usually be on the other side of it at some level.