The COVID Pandemic and Schools Reopening (Page 3/5)
blackrams FEB 06, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:


I wonder if they think this way during flu season since the death rate is higher?



Valid point.

Rams
maryjane FEB 06, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Valid point.

Rams


Is it?
You, are vaccinated, but the vast majority of the US, including children and their parents are not, so I take your opinion with a huge grain of salt.
Flu vaccine is and for years has been readily available and dirt cheap to boot, but Covid vaccine is still rare as hens' teeth.

From the very first, way too many people, including Donald Trump have tried (unsuccessfully) to equate Covid to the flu.
Thankfully, for the most part, the civilized & informed world moved past that false assumption many months ago.

30% of US teachers are over age 50. It is approx that age, that the rate of survivability decreases significantly.
https://nces.ed.gov/surveys..._2013314_t1s_002.asp



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COVID-19: There have been approximately 2,286,850 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 455,875 people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and February 5, 2021.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.



https://www.hopkinsmedicine...ease-2019-vs-the-flu

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williegoat FEB 06, 12:24 PM
I know nothing about disease in general or covid in particular, and take with 9 yd3 of salt much of what I read regarding the pandemic. But I am left wondering if the damage done to America's future, I.E. "the children", is worse than that which the shutdowns purport to mitigate.
maryjane FEB 06, 09:53 PM
blackrams FEB 07, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:
Is it?
You, are vaccinated, but the vast majority of the US, including children and their parents are not, so I take your opinion with a huge grain of salt.
Flu vaccine is and for years has been readily available and dirt cheap to boot, but Covid vaccine is still rare as hens' teeth.




Having already been vaccinated has little to nothing to do with my opinion about schools being back in session.
Be careful with all that salt, it's not good for you. That's just another opinion.

Rams

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cliffw FEB 07, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Public employees do not (IMO), have the right to strike. LEOs, FIre Fighters, DOT, ATC, the military and all the others, they chose their paths, teachers are included. Do your fricking Jobs.
Rams




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Originally posted by maryjane:
I'm sure governors and legislators who have supported and enacted various state laws to the contrary will give your opinion all the consideration that is warranted and shall act accordingly with their legislatures posthaste. Yep, I'm sure of it.



I am sure of it too. All those governors and legislators who get Union contributions. Dayum, I spelled bribes wrong. The only big unions now are government unions, private unions have had their wings clipped.

One should not have to join a Union to get a job, but, ... it's the law. So much for equity and "redlining" as TheBDub says.


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Originally posted by maryjane:
I'm not in favor of FORCING anyone to place their lives or the lives of their own family in danger.
I signed on and rode for the brand and I live with what that 50 yr old endeavor caused but doesn't mean it should be mandatory for everyone.
Dead teachers won't educate a single student and dead parents won't raise a single offspring.



Weak !

The Science says schools do not present a greater danger than grocery store workers. Those grocery store workers I believe face a greater threat of public transmission, from a greater influx of unknowns.


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Originally posted by maryjane:
All those others, (maybe school cops excepted) are NOT sequestered 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in a single room with 30 or more kids that will return home every day and in the case of jr high and high school, a different group of the same number of kids every hour which means they will be in close proximity to hundreds of kids each day.
Adults out in society and in the greater public domain, tend to be pretty cognizant of following good protocols for the most part. Kids.not nearly so much.



Again, weak. A sequestered cashier for five days a week, eight hours days are in close proximity to hundreds of people. Does it take eight hours to catch covid ?

Adults out in society and in the greater public domain do recognize recommended guidance but many reject it. More so than kids who can be "trained" and punished for not falling into lockstep.

I agree with blackrams. Public employees do not have the right to strike. Especially the Teacher's unions. They do not represent the students nor the parents who pay for public schooling. They represent "me, me, me". It's bad enough we agree to put up with Federal government, State government, County government, and City government. Some might desire more, Home Owners Associations and even Vocation Associations. I am tired of tyranny.

If the teachers don't want to teach, let them agree to a choice. School choice.

How many deaths have resulted in most schools being open ? Why do Teachers unions demand defunding the Police ? Why is minimum wage a demand of theirs as well as golbal warming legislation ?
jdv FEB 07, 09:22 PM
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skywurz FEB 07, 09:55 PM
I don't think its a good idea. (Have not made it through the whole conversation yet but this topic is really a hot button issue for me)

You have the Gov only vaccinating Teachers. (Depending on the state and at this point they are saying that's not needed all really dumb) then placing kids together in a classroom with very limited supervision. If any of the other kids are sick your kid could(probably will) get sick and then your whole household is going to get it. If you have multiple kids then your other kid is going to get it and spread it too. Just because kids are less likely to get hospitalized when they get the virus it doesn't mean they don't get sick. There is also lack of research to show if kids get any long term affects like some adults seem to have permanently lost taste and smell. Would you want to risk your child losing their senses ? They are also not vaccinating kids there is no data for this either. We also don't know about other long ter ailments from this that perhaps you would not get until later in life. Look at shingles for example.. vaccinate the teachers the kids and the family then send them back to school. (Also vaccinating only reduces the severity of the virus by tuning your antibodies to detect it. Its still possible for vaccinated people to become contagious. Hence you don't get a free pass just because you are vaccinated. Listen i know for everyone it seems to be hard not to do things like text and drive but ffs put on a mask its simple.)
Lambo nut FEB 07, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by skywurz:

If any of the other kids are sick your kid could(probably will) get sick and then your whole household is going to get it. If you have multiple kids then your other kid is going to get it and spread it too.



I know personally through immediate and secondary family members that this is BS.
Lambo nut FEB 07, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by skywurz:
but ffs put on a mask its simple.)



Even simpler not to.

Iowa has the right idea. Time to stop all this mask and restriction crap.