Any Scientologists here? (Page 3/4)
sourmash JAN 25, 08:12 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQZxv1kdrvY

There's a 4 part street interview with one guy. If you watch all of them you'll see a woman 1st and a masked guy later yelling at him what he thinks instead of listening to what he avtually thinks. You know you're out of bullets when you use that tactic.
There are times for it, but not in these cases.
randye JAN 25, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQZxv1kdrvY

There's a 4 part street interview with one guy. If you watch all of them you'll see a woman 1st and a masked guy later yelling at him what he thinks instead of listening to what he avtually thinks. You know you're out of bullets when you use that tactic.
There are times for it, but not in these cases.



That's a video by my friend Mark Bunker.

The courtroom videos that I put in this thread earlier were shot by Mark, (who is also named in the Clearwater injunction along with me and 10 others).

Mark was just recently elected to the Clearwater City Council which has caused the local $cientologists a LOT of upset.

The blonde lady at 3:30 in the video you just posted is Tory Bezazian. She is also seen in one of the courtroom videos I posted earlier.
She was one of "The Clearwater 13" defendants with us.
Tory ("Magoo") and I have picketed $cientology together a few times.

Tory was also John Travolta's "auditor" while she was in the cult.

Tory made it to "OT VII" before she left so she knows damn well what Billy Sheehan believes and what other $cientologists believe.

She has no lack of "bullets".

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sourmash JAN 25, 08:55 PM
That's pretty cool and interesting! Thought you might have some friendlies in that group.
maryjane JAN 25, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
Once the class completes this short course, everyone is individually invited to stand in from of the class and tell how they benefitted from the course which $cientology calls "Attesting To Your Wins".
They are handed a certificate and the entire class applauds and cheers for them and the ceremony is repeated for each participant.



(everyone gets a trophy?)


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This "affirmation" is also a big part of the brainwashing because the majority of people see this happening and don't want to be the only one without "Wins"

The next course costs more money and takes a little more time and obviously the same pattern of "wins" and "affirmations" is repeated, this time however a little more brainwashing is introduced. The lie gets a little bit bigger, the truth gets a little bit smaller. Each new "course" in $cientology repeats this same pattern and the new $cientologist is well on his or her way to getting deeper and deeper into the cult.

After a while the new recruit finds that all of their friends are $cientologists and all of them are excited about their constant "Wins" and any doubts the new $cientologist might have they are told are their own fault for "Not Applying The Tech" (that's cult speak for not following L. Ron Hubbard's teachings).
That's another integral part of the brainwashing. The new cult member is convinced that any inconsistencies they see or any doubts they have are THEIR OWN FAULT and it is never the cult.

So on and on the "brainwashing on a slow gradient" goes until the new $cientologist is approx. $300k to $450k and many years into it
By that time the OT III space opera of Xenu and the BTs isn't so hard to sell to them.

Remember, all their friends that have also reached this "OT Level" are telling them and everyone else about their "Wins" and are afraid to speak out about how ludicrous it might seem because they don't want to be accused of "Not applying the tech" and possibly be "Out-Ethics", (cult speak for not following policy), or face any ridicule or shame from their friends, (the $cientology member community is a pretty small and tight group and the $cientologist by this time has few if any friends outside of the cult).
The "OT Levels" are also "super duper secret" and $cientologists are forbidden from talking about them with anyone below their level in the cult and especially anyone outside the cult.





So it's 'a lot' about convincing people of all their 'wins' under the tuteledge of scientology...and 'guiding' them to others that are also all 'wins'. I assume that always being 'right' and everyone else outside the cult being 'wrong' is a big part of the brainwashing. Pretty narcisstic for sure.

I think I would quickly get rather bored and wearied of never failing (all wins) tho I do see some correlation between the whole scientology bag of bogus narrative and what we've seen in some of the general non-scientology public in the last few years and months.

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randye JAN 25, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


I think I would quickly get rather bored and wearied of never failing (all wins) tho I do see some correlation between the whole scientology bag of bogus narrative and what we've seen in some of the general non-scientology public in the last few years and months.




Hardly.

The cult makes money from the courses, the books and a host of other things.

One of the big ways they make money now, since there is a dwindling number of new $cientologists, is forcing current members to REDO old courses and pay for more "auditing".

People that have left the cult recently have told me that the cult is actually driving old members away by "suddenly discovering" that the course that they took years ago were done wrong and the cult member must redo that course or an entire "level" at their own expense which usually means several thousands of dollars and many months.

The current head of $cientology, David Miscavige, had all of L. Ron Hubbard's texts rewritten / revised.
Since every $cientologist at certain levels are is required to have copies of these texts that has also cost members tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars.

The words "FAIL...START OVER" are familiar to every $cientologist that has ever taken their lower to mid level courses. Those words usually come during a course so every cult member is well accustomed to hearing them and obeying which makes them more compliant when told to pay to redo old courses from years ago or to buy new copies of old books.

All of this is hilarious to us critics because "Source", (which is the name $cientologists frequently use for L. Ron Hubbard, DROPPED DEAD IN 1986

$cientology holds that "Source's" "research" is absolute and infallible so it's a tad bit difficult for the old dead con man to "update" his dogma.

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sourmash JAN 26, 12:02 AM
Isn't it a no-brainer that Scientology has plenty of stick and they aren't just carrot "winning" all the time?
randye JAN 26, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Isn't it a no-brainer that Scientology has plenty of stick and they aren't just carrot "winning" all the time?



I thought that I was being clear, (pun intended) that it is a lot of both.
sourmash JAN 26, 12:28 AM
What did you think of the Scuentoligis in Mr, Bunker's video?
randye JAN 26, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

What did you think of the Scuentoligis in Mr, Bunker's video?



First off, what the hell is a "Scuentoligis"?

Mark has done video interviews with dozens of $cientologists so my 2nd inclination is to ask "which one?"

I'll assume you mean the interview with Billy Sheehan that you posted the link for so I'll answer your question this way:

Billy Sheehan is a celebrity musician. He is the bass guitar player in the band "Mr. Big"

I don't know if he was with that band when the interview was filmed, but he was certainly a celebrity musician / performer then.

$cientology goes to great pains to recruit and hold onto celebrity members.

As a celebrity member they receive MUCH different treatment than other "public" members and consequently Mr. Sheehan's experience is far more "preferential" than "run of the mill" $cientologists ever receive.

A lot of the celebrity members make LARGE donations to the cult and accordingly the cult does not want to piss them off.
They also know that, like Leah Remini, celebs have big audiences that they can reach which can benefit the cult....or not.

Normally celebrity $cientologists are kept far away from any "Entheta", (cult speak for anti-$cientology speech or materials), so seeing Billy Sheehan out there all alone with his little handmade sign was a red flag to anyone that knows the cult well enough and it's exactly why he caught the immediate attention of Tory and Mark.

All of that means that I take Billy Sheehan's comments with a HUGE block of salt.

A couple more of the biggest reasons I do that are called "auditing" and "Ethics".

Think of $cientology auditing as something like a Catholic confessional except that everything you ever confess is recorded and kept on file.
In fact it's even deeper than a Catholic confessional because it doesn't just rely on what someone volunteers. The "auditor" asks questions and pries very deeply into every secret the cult member may be keeping and, believing that they must answer fully and truthfully lest the "E-Meter" detect their deception, the cult member answers with excruciating detail.
Over time this obviously creates a lot of potential blackmail material and every ex-$cientologist that I know has said that they knew full well that the contents of their personal "folders" (auditing records) could be used against them if they left the cult under bad circumstances and / or caused a problem.

Keep in mind that the video of Billy Sheehan was also filmed on the day of THE single biggest protest against $cientology EVER or since.
The group "Anonymous" had organized their "Worldwide Protest of $cientology" that day so the big question is WHY was Mr. Sheehan out there on THAT day holding that sign while there were hundreds of potentially hostile protestors marching by. Remember that at this point in time $cientology was accusing Anonymous of being "terrorists" after they had hacked the cult's website and there had been many "aggressive" protests all around the world weeks before. The cult had boarded up every single one of it's buildings worldwide on that day and had ordered every staff and public member to stay away from the protests.

Next is the fact that $cientology considers all people not in the cult "degraded beings", cult speak for something almost equivalent to sub-human. The cult calls average non-members "Wogs" and refers to the world outside of $cientology as "The Wog world" There is no way in hell that Mr. Sheehan as an OT III was "trying to find common ground" with people they consider to be almost sub-human as he said lied, and there is no way in hell that Mr. Sheehan wanted to be out there unless he was forced to be there.

MY personal opinion, based on my knowledge of the cult and how it works, is that Mr. Sheehan was doing what the cult calls an "Amends Project", which means that he had done something wrong inside the cult and was ordered by the "Ethics" department to do an amends project so they sent him out there to do a small "KSW" ("Keeping $cientology Working") thing to get back in good graces and erase his "out-ethics" problem.
That's the least severe possible punishment and it also puts a celeb out there on the street on the same day as a huge protest to try to be seen by the press and to try to counter the message of the protestors.

Perhaps some other time we can talk about "TRs" and "acceptable truth" and how Mr. Sheehan was able to lie so convincingly.

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GT-X JAN 26, 08:23 AM
Thanks Randye. All very fascinating; feel free to continue.