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blackrams
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JAN 07, 04:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
The 25th Amendment says nothing about the President being unfit for election. It only describes procedures for removal from office, and reinstatement. Here is the full text:
If you add up the numbers, it could take almost a month to remove a President against their will. President Trump only has 13 days left.  |
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It's just an attempt to add more of Pelosi and Schumer's crap to DJT legacy.
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olejoedad
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JAN 07, 05:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I'm not that enthused about the idea of truncating Trump's presidency by a few days by invoking the 25th Amendment. I'm not any more enthused about the idea of the House passing new articles of Impeachment against him.
I think they ought to convene one of the House committees and invite Alec Baldwin to reprise his SNL "Trump" character. Alec Baldwin and some of the current SNL cast. That should garner some prime time TV coverage from the likes of NBC News, CNN, MSNBC ... |
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That's kinda funny, rinse!
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maryjane
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JAN 07, 07:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
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I think they ought to convene one of the House committees and invite Alec Baldwin to reprise his SNL "Trump" character. Alec Baldwin and some of the current SNL cast. That should garner some prime time TV coverage from the likes of NBC News, CNN, MSNBC ... |
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That's funny, maybe even hilaria. Perhaps he could do it in a Spanish accent?
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randye
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JAN 07, 10:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
The 25th Amendment says nothing about the President being unfit for election. It only describes procedures for removal from office, and reinstatement. Here is the full text:
If you add up the numbers, it could take almost a month to remove a President against their will. President Trump only has 13 days left. |
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Not just that.
If anyone cared to follow the full text of the law, it requires a full TWO THIRDS the entire Congress to vote in agreement.
That's the technical legal aspect, but you're spot on that the functionality of it is that there are only 13 days left in t he President's term.
Additionally, and in case a few here have failed to learn anything from the impeachment nonsense from last year, the President can only be removed from office by a TWO THIRDS vote of the U.S. Senate. Accordingly that ISN'T going to happen even considering the insufficient time remaining in President Trump's present term.
The authors of our Constitution and the American people, by way of their ratification of subsequent Amendments by TWO THIRDS of the states (as made law in our Constitution), have made extraordinary efforts that a small minority of people cannot remove a duly elected President by fiat, connivance or conspiracy.
I'll add that the 25th Amendment was NOT ratified to enable anyone to remove a President because they don't like what he says or does.
It was specifically written and ratified to address the line of Presidential succession, and the legal mechanics of doing that, in the aftermath of the assassination of President Kennedy.
If anyone doubts that, you simply need to consult the Congressional record and contemporary media reporting to read the arguments justifying the need for the amendment.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-07-2021).]
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theBDub
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JAN 07, 11:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Not just that.
If anyone cared to follow the full text of the law, it requires a full TWO THIRDS the entire Congress to vote in agreement.
That's the technical legal aspect, but you're spot on that the functionality of it is that there are only 13 days left in t he President's term.
Additionally, and in case a few here have failed to learn anything from the impeachment nonsense from last year, the President can only be removed from office by a TWO THIRDS vote of the U.S. Senate. Accordingly that ISN'T going to happen even considering the insufficient time remaining in President Trump's present term.
The authors of our Constitution and the American people, by way of their ratification of subsequent Amendments by TWO THIRDS of the states (as made law in our Constitution), have made extraordinary efforts that a small minority of people cannot remove a duly elected President by fiat, connivance or conspiracy.
I'll add that the 25th Amendment was NOT ratified to enable anyone to remove a President because they don't like what he says or does.
It was specifically written and ratified to address the line of Presidential succession, and the legal mechanics of doing that, in the aftermath of the assassination of President Kennedy.
If anyone doubts that, you simply need to consult the Congressional record and contemporary media reporting to read the arguments justifying the need for the amendment.
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This isn’t quite right. Upon invoking the 25th, the President is immediately out temporarily, but can submit a written appeal, which the VP can respond to, then (if it gets this far), it comes to a vote.
Not like this will happen, and not like the existing Cabinet would support Pence if he elected to do this anyway, but the idea would be that the 25th would get us to Inauguration Day without the President getting his powers back.
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randye
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JAN 08, 12:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
This isn’t quite right. Upon invoking the 25th, the President is immediately out temporarily, but can submit a written appeal, which the VP can respond to, then (if it gets this far), it comes to a vote.
Not like this will happen, and not like the existing Cabinet would support Pence if he elected to do this anyway, but the idea would be that the 25th would get us to Inauguration Day without the President getting his powers back. |
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The fact that you think that the 25th Amendment could or should be used for political expediency says a lot of very bad things about your beliefs.
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Blacktree
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JAN 08, 02:12 AM
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The sad part is those people think it's acceptable to bastardize the framework of our government, just because they can't wait a couple weeks.
If those dirtbags could get their grubby mits on the Constitution, they'd probably wipe their asses with it, and complain the paper isn't soft enough.[This message has been edited by Blacktree (edited 01-08-2021).]
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Blacktree
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JAN 08, 02:13 AM
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oops [This message has been edited by Blacktree (edited 01-08-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 08, 06:38 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
The sad part is those people think it's acceptable to bastardize the framework of our government, just because they can't wait a couple weeks.
If those dirtbags could get their grubby mits on the Constitution, they'd probably wipe their asses with it, and complain the paper isn't soft enough.
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It has little to do with 'waiting'.
It's all about hate and being able to say they got him thrown out of (removed) from office, especially since their impeachment gambit failed.
This goes all the way back to the 2016 election results when The Anointed One, a woman steeped in a lifetime of politics and 'political saavy' lost to a newcomer.
The Left , has not gotten over that and it never will.
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randye
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JAN 08, 07:47 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
It has little to do with 'waiting'.
It's all about hate and being able to say they got him thrown out of (removed) from office, especially since their impeachment gambit failed.
This goes all the way back to the 2016 election results when The Anointed One, a woman steeped in a lifetime of politics and 'political saavy' lost to a newcomer.
The Left , has not gotten over that and it never will. |
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The Left is terrified of President Trump, even when he leaves office in a few days.
He will continue to lead a large movement and he is eligible to run again in 2024 if he chooses....and THAT scares the bejesus out of them....thus their fantasy of a quick 2 week impeachment and the Senate voting to remove him from office and bar him from ever holding office again.
That would require two thirds of the US Senate voting to agree to such a move and obviously that is NOT going to happen.
The Left has not gotten over ANY Republican win for the Presidency and they have filed articles of impeachment against EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT SINCE EISENHOWER with the sole exception of Gerald Ford.
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