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olejoedad
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JAN 07, 05:32 PM
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Oh, there will be an election, I have no doubt.
People will vote.
The question is if we can trust the tabulation process.
People with doubts about this election are interested in how the system will be secured for the future.
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rinselberg
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JAN 07, 06:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
I just keep an open mind and like conversation. No one seemed to predict covid for instance. I suppose defining election comes into play. An election as we know/knew it? A fair one? A fraud free one? One that isnt "virtual"? One where voters are identified? One where you must be a citizen? There are plenty of options. Other things besides will there be one, also passed through my mind, as possible opinions folks may have.. whom might participate in this thread as well . Including things turning around and a smooth decisive election that is not fishy in the least. I appreciate all the input of each of you, it takes all kinds, and I'm glad for that. Actual diversity. (of those who will participate) |
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Bill Gates.
I'm not taking any extra time to review what I believe are the facts, but I think it goes like this:
In 2015, during a TED presentation, Bill Gates was talking about the possibility of a global pandemic in a way that was so prescient that it's almost like he was looking into a crystal ball and seeing Covid-19 five years before there was "Covid-19."
In the early days of the Trump presidency, Bill Gates approached President Trump to volunteer his assistance in terms of improving the preparedness of the United States to react to something like Covid-19, which Bill Gates had already described as a worrisome and not unlikely possibility. Bill Gates laid it out as an opportunity for Donald Trump to create a positive legacy for the Trump presidency. But the Trump-Gates Pandemic Preparedness Partnership or TGPPP (OK, I made that up--the acronym) did not happen.
This is based on something I saw like maybe just over a week ago on MSNBC. I think it was "The Beat" with Ari Melber. A year's end rebroadcast of something that had already aired before. IIRC the rap and hip-hop-enthused MSNBC anchor (Ari Melber) interviewed Bill Gates on-air about the Covid pandemic.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-07-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 07, 06:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
I just keep an open mind and like conversation. No one seemed to predict covid for instance. I suppose defining election comes into play. An election as we know/knew it? A fair one? A fraud free one? One that isnt "virtual"? One where voters are identified? One where you must be a citizen? There are plenty of options. Other things besides will there be one, also passed through my mind, as possible opinions folks may have.. whom might participate in this thread as well . Including things turning around and a smooth decisive election that is not fishy in the least. I appreciate all the input of each of you, it takes all kinds, and I'm glad for that. Actual diversity. (of those who will participate)
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No, as my wife might put it, many are "borrowing trouble".
Presented as and discussing a valid hypothetical is one thing but that is not at all what I see happening here. The initial question asked was expected at some point, but the course of the discussion quickly and unexpectedly made a bizarre turn.
What is happening?
Inventing a scenario that currently and for 245 years has never presented itself as any kind of reality except in the minds of conspiracy theorists.
(A Covid like/type pandemic tho, has been planned for, discussed, 'wargamed' against on the national and international level for as long as I can remember and probably ever since the last really big one in the early 1900s. The likelihood (almost a certainty) of it happening at some point was and is well known as is the next Earth changing asteroid impact. Not a matter of if, but when. Why?
Precedent. Pandemics are a well studied and recurring part of human history and most likely predate modern man by eons.
The Cassandra aspect tho, kicked in and even today, there are many deniers.
History, will not be kind to them.)[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-07-2021).]
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2.5
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JAN 08, 03:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
No, as my wife might put it, many are "borrowing trouble".
Presented as and discussing a valid hypothetical is one thing but that is not at all what I see happening here. The initial question asked was expected at some point, but the course of the discussion quickly and unexpectedly made a bizarre turn.
What is happening?
Inventing a scenario that currently and for 245 years has never presented itself as any kind of reality except in the minds of conspiracy theorists.
(A Covid like/type pandemic tho, has been planned for, discussed, 'wargamed' against on the national and international level for as long as I can remember and probably ever since the last really big one in the early 1900s. The likelihood (almost a certainty) of it happening at some point was and is well known as is the next Earth changing asteroid impact. Not a matter of if, but when. Why?
Precedent. Pandemics are a well studied and recurring part of human history and most likely predate modern man by eons.
The Cassandra aspect tho, kicked in and even today, there are many deniers.
History, will not be kind to them.)
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Do you think a successful election cheat has been planned, tried or practiced for quite a while as well in various forms? Also a recurring part of human history?
Something that also has happend in various places, even not long ago?[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 01-08-2021).]
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2.5
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JAN 08, 03:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Oh, there will be an election, I have no doubt.
People will vote.
The question is if we can trust the tabulation process.
People with doubts about this election are interested in how the system will be secured for the future.
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Your point seems like a clear point to me.
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maryjane
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JAN 08, 06:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Do you think a successful election cheat has been planned, tried or practiced for quite a while as well in various forms? Also a recurring part of human history?
Something that also has happend in various places, even not long ago?
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I don't buy into internet/youtube bullshit conspiracy theories if that is what you're asking.
Does that answer your questions?
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sourmash
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JAN 08, 06:34 PM
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We know Nixon was cheated of his win.
It's possible they failed at cheating during Hillary's election by not producing enough votes so this time they halted counting in states to get a feel for how many mail-ins were needed in swing states. Makes you wonder about Obama too.
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maryjane
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JAN 08, 06:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Do you think a successful election cheat has been planned, tried or practiced for quite a while as well in various forms? Also a recurring part of human history?
Something that also has happend in various places, even not long ago?
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
You believe the election was on the up and up, many do not, a decent size percentage do not. Hence the problem with your scenario.
You seem to be boxing conversations to try and give people no choice but to be put into your categories, that is generally a learned trait from the media, but in the end there are much more details to it. |
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You believe the election was a sham, many do not, a decent size percentage do not. Hence the problem with your scenario.
You seem to be boxing conversations to try and give people no choice but to be put into your categories, that is generally a learned trait from the conspiracy theory media, such as the blowhards on youtube but in the end there are much more details to it.
Never let anyone frame a question..............right Randye?
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randye
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JAN 08, 11:54 PM
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I believe, for now, that the 2024 general election will not be anywhere as close as it was in 2020
Other than the Presidency, 2020 was VERY GOOD for Republicans...WOW!:
In 22 states, Republicans will hold unified control over the governor’s office and both houses of the legislature, giving the party wide political latitude — including in states like Florida and Georgia where Demorats hoped to take a legislative majority.
Republicans flipped the governor’s mansion in Montana and both legislative bodies in New Hampshire garnering the party unified control in two new states.
Demorats will hold both the legislature and governor in only 15 states, and while the party did not lose any of those states, its hopes of flipping legislatures and forming unified governments in North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Minnesota FAILED.
Demorat governors will need to work with Republican legislators in eight states.
Republicans now have plenty of national power to begin carving out new Congressional districts for both the 2022 midterms and the 2024 general election.
They will also be revising and tightening the voting laws in their states to prevent another mail-in ballot, ballot harvesting, ballot counting and oversight fraud fiasco like 2020
Both 2022 and 2024 are going to be very good election years for Republicans.
I will also add that while Congressional Demorats are certainly evil, they are also not dumb when it comes to trying to hold onto, or gain, power so there won't be any wild "packing the Supreme Court" or "DC statehood" or other insane Leftist nonsense while those House and Senate Demorats in "insecure" districts fear backing anything politically suicidal that will piss off all those important moderate independent voters back home that will make or break their aspirations of staying in office beyond 2022.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-09-2021).]
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