Is the LEFT to be in power in 2021, almost in power? (Page 3/5)
maryjane DEC 31, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:


Part 1 what could one do even if they (like us) think the stimulus checks will bankrupt the nation, is there a choice in the matter?

Part 2 I agree but information and knowledge is valuable. Sincere ones are probably thinking what I said just earlier: ...don't really know what they can do about it other than spread the truth. (And vote of course.) If they have a platform they should use it I think.
Of course yes there is tons of misinformation and money making advertising/propaganda bs, goes without saying. It is for each individual to determine what is what.

Ya giving people what they want 9Or saying they will) (That plus money and propaganda, and these days owning the media in one way or another). The problem in the end is the citizens, not enough want the right things anymore.




Exactly WHO do you think you're spreading the "truth" TO?
Have you become Avengador2.5?

In 4 months I will have been on PFF 20 years. Have read tens of thousands of posts and new threads, a great % of them being political in nature. Not ONE single time have I ever seen anyone's political mind changed.. not once.

I have tho, seen lots of good people decide to leave OT and even PFF completely because they were tired of all the politics, to which you respond with your neat little admonition sig to them, even tho you have to know ................. they Don't See It.
So, who is it for?

You can't possibly be looking to 'spread the word' here. We're already 99.9% conservative nowadays and the fraction of a % that isn't is Canadian or admittedly liberal and not interested in changing now or in a 100 years.

I'll ask again.
"Do you know how politicians get support and get elected/re-elected?"

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randye DEC 31, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:


I would also add that along with The perception of "Discrimination in ANY form is also now taught as an ultimate evil " ...being one of the perceived discriminated against, is a badge for some worn with pride, worn to be known as the victim, making one popular and promoting victimhood and "us vs them" mentality.






It doesn't take long for children to realize that being a "victim" gets them attention from their parents and potentially garners them rewards.

Carry that childhood thinking into their "adulthood" and you have an entire segment of the population that believes that any of the normal trials and tribulations of life make them a "victim" and their parents are replaced by the government which they expect to fix their problems and then comfort and reward them.

There is also a segment of the population that excuses their adult failures in life to being a "victim" and sadly they indoctrinate their own children with this way of excusing their own failures in life.

It's always much easier to claim to be a "victim" than it is to constantly work hard and have the mindset to overcome any circumstance in order to succeed in life and to forego the ideas and actions that lead to failure, (i.e. drugs, alcohol, crime, sloth, lying, etc..)

I have NEVER encountered a successful and mentally well adjusted man or woman that claims to be a "victim" of life.

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2.5 DEC 31, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I'll ask again.
"Do you know how politicians get support and get elected/re-elected?"




I think my points were made.

Also are you asking this question again because you disagree with my answer?
maryjane DEC 31, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:


I think my points were made.

Also are you asking this question again because you disagree with my answer?



Is this your answer?

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Ya giving people what they want 9Or saying they will) (That plus money and propaganda, and these days owning the media in one way or another). The problem in the end is the citizens, not enough want the right things anymore.



You may be implying that is how Biden got elected with all that, but in general, it is much simpler than all that spiel.
A major candidate gets elected in the 21st Century and last part of the 20th Century America simply by parroting what the majority of the electorate/constituency is already thinking and saying. The same is true for an incumbent seeking re-election. That's it. It's all they need to do.



The candidate that comes closest to parroting what the majority of the electorate thinks, will win.

A 1st time novice politician (Trump) beat life long entrenched swamp dweller HRC by repeating what was already in the minds and words of everyday Americans, but he drifted away from that in 2020. HRC had pandered to and repeated what her base thought and said and thought that would be enough, in fact, she was convinced of it. Trump OTOH, tried to speak to everyone in the runup to 2016 election and it paid off. He did not do that in 2020. He made the same mistake HRC and her team did.


Even in local races, a candidate doesn't worry about his base, they're locked in. It's the fringe voters that you have to stroke.

Biden, repeated what his team thought the majority of Americans were thinking in the last 9 months of 2020, and won, because he included those outside the traditional left. He will undoubtedly disappoint a lot of those folks, but it got him elected. Biden, was speaking, not to, but from the majority of the broad base voters. People, (especially in America) LIKE to hear their own words and thoughts repeated back to them from someone else. That's also why so many youtubers have so many fanboys and girls. People watch and hang on every word and nuance because they are in effect, watching and listening to themselves.

The Nov election should never had been so close that anything the media said or did could make a difference but it was, because Trump deviated from what got him elected in the first place. The election, was lost in May and June, July at the latest.
I hate it, but Trump shot himself in the foot.

I don't often (anymore) get involved in political discussions here at PFF because I do not enjoy talking to myself and like listening to myself even less.

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2.5 JAN 01, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

A major candidate gets elected in the 21st Century and last part of the 20th Century America simply by parroting what the majority of the electorate/constituency is already thinking and saying. The same is true for an incumbent seeking re-election. That's it. It's all they need to do.

The candidate that comes closest to parroting what the majority of the electorate thinks, will win




We agree, thats what I said as well, though with less detail. (And a typo where a "(" should be.

That, plus or minus corruption and cheating.

Im glad for those who came out in detail in this thread with responses of substance including yourself. I dont think there really is a good reason not to, and I think when we do it helps anyone who sees it get to know us.

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sourmash JAN 01, 09:38 AM
If a person thinks the electorate has any relevance in deciding the ultimate winner of any federal election going forward, you're as delusional as the any hard leftist alive.
I guess it's because it's what people have always done, so they continue to do it even though they know it's a useless exercise.

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maryjane JAN 01, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

If a person thinks the electorate has any relevance in deciding the ultimate winner of any federal election going forward, you're as delusional as the any hard leftist alive.
I guess it's because it's what people have always done, so they continue to do it even though they know it's a useless exercise.



People keep parroting that (or something similar to it) but no one ever offers any actual proof other than someone else yet again, parroting the same thing.

sourmash JAN 01, 11:27 AM
Huh? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain?

Election fraud is so apparent that it's slapping you in the face. Are you one of the "baseless claims" believers?
maryjane JAN 01, 12:07 PM
I'm one of those that expects some sort of realistic proof of anything instead of just more of the same repeated conspiracy theory rhetoric that has been plaguing OT for months now.

"I have a friend that has a wife whose cousin works at city hall that overheard 2 people say they have proof the election was rigged so it must be true"

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sourmash JAN 01, 12:34 PM
So you have a conspiracy theory that all the sworn affidavits of election fraud and even the testimonies don't exist. Very curious, but predictable. A few the affidavits were released to the press as an example so they'd stop programming people like you with the term "baseless claims" and "without evidence".

There is no bottom for you, IOws. There is no amount of criminality and foreign intervention from dual citizens and the donor class to which you will stand up to resist to protect yourself and family. Ok.
You've taken your leftist programming well, sir.