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rinselberg
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DEC 21, 12:31 PM
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Since the subject of the Bible (scripture) and homosexuality has come in here, I have a thought.
I remember (like umpteen years ago) there was something on the History or maybe the Discovery channel. It was about research into the origins of the Old Testament. I'm not at all educated in scripture, but the first connection that I make is the Old Testament story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodom (of course) has become the root word for "sodomy."
But during this segment, they were saying that the scholars were uncertain about whether the idea that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was actually meant to be a blanket or unqualified condemnation of male homosexuality, during the pre-Christian times when these stories were first being recorded as texts. Because there's nothing explicit in the original texts (the most original texts that have been discovered and translated) about homosexuality (or male homosexuality) being the thing or one of the things that got the inhabitants of Sodom "crosswise" with G_d. (Gomorrah, I don't about it... 
So guess what? I just did my Google thing. And I found this:
| quote | | There are seven texts often cited by Christians to condemn homosexuality: Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20–27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1–11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), two words in two Second Testament vice lists (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and Paul's letter to the Romans (Romans 1:26–27). The author believes that these do not refer to homosexual relationships between two free, adult, and loving individuals. They describe rape or attempted rape (Genesis 9:20–27, 19:1–11), cultic prostitution (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), male prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; 1 Timothy 1:10), and the Isis cult in Rome (Romans 1:26–27). If the biblical authors did assume homosexuality was evil, we do not theologize off of their cultural assumptions, we theologize off of the texts we have in the canon. The author attempts to introduce some new arguments into this long-standing and passionate debate. |
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It's an Abstract. For this.
"Seven Gay Texts: Biblical Passages Used to Condemn Homosexuality"
Robert K Gnuse for Biblical Theology Bulletin: Journal of Bible and Culture; April 22, 2015.
https://journals.sagepub.co...097?journalCode=btba
Just another "muse" from yours truly.
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rinselberg
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DEC 22, 02:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
I really do forget what movie the quote comes from, but it fits perfectly.
"If you want forgiveness go to church. They might. I wont. Ever."
It's actually a pretty simple philosophy...once called freedom.
I don't like bullies. I don't like power-trippers. I don't like holier-than-thou's and I don't like political-correctness and all the "you cant say that"..."You cant think that"..."you cant have that"
Yeh ? Really ?
I just did. And I'll do it again, go pound sand. Got a specific charge and evidence then lay it, otherwise shut your pig yap and get out of my existence. This is a free country I once defended, not a 3rd-world police state. You are not in charge of my existance. I am.
Is THAT clear enough, Don ??????
Oh yeh...I fogot one thing. I'll decide my own beliefs and anybody who doesnt like it should join Jonestown and drink your own kool-aid
Again, as a Canadian its my right and I said so.....kiss my ass if you dont like it. |
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B R A V O !
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sourmash
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DEC 22, 06:06 AM
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There's no free speech in England. Period.
Man shall not lay with man as with a woman. It is an abomination (a sin).
It's the most direct condemnation of a specific act. So man set about rewriting it to all the things that God didn't say you can't do. This is where the lawyers come in. Religious lawyers. Now these people weren't the Christians and they created the Talmud wherein the rabbis declare what God really meant. When He said "man" and "man" he didn't say you can't lay with a boy, since everybody knows aa boy is not a man. So they put it down in words that you can lay with a boy below a certain age and the boy want defile a man with sin. How's that for irony? In the modern Christian world that was declared rape, but back then the rabbis said the boy won't sin on you for doing it. And woman can lay with woman but she can't marry a man holding high religious position. And while they were at it they declared you can lay a girl below a certain age and she can't defile the man with sin. In fact her virginity will grow back because it's nothing more than a finger in the eye.
And so, today here we are having these discussions in what was formerly Christian West and the same people are pushing the subject matter to overturn laws.
Stating all of these things above will get you arrested in England for hate speech.
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olejoedad
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DEC 22, 08:18 AM
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There's no free speech on here either unless we all agree to agree.
Someone gets all upset if we call each other out for differing views, even when done is a reasonable manner.
Hall monitors are everywhere.
People need to grow up and realize the exchange of ideas is contentious at times.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 12-22-2020).]
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maryjane
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DEC 22, 09:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
There's no free speech on here either unless we all agree to agree.
Someone gets all upset if we call each other out for differing views, even when done is a reasonable manner.
Ha monitors are everywhere.
People need to grow up and realize the exchange of ideas is contentious at times. |
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Yep.
Choices have consequences, 'Here' and everywhere else in the civilized world, and it's been that way for a VERY long time.
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MidEngineManiac
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DEC 23, 02:02 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Yep.
Choices have consequences, 'Here' and everywhere else in the civilized world, and it's been that way for a VERY long time. |
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Yeh, well...I'd love to punch it out with you.
You are 70+ year old man, and I .....
#1 dont hit senior citizens,
#2 I try not to fight marines. Last time was 1991 and I put 2 of them in a hospital.. Sorry about that.
See rule #1.........
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maryjane
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DEC 23, 12:21 PM
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You'll have to do lots better than that to get under my skin but I do think I remember reading about that fracas.
| quote | | Greatest civil aviation pilot/ future majority owner of successful EBike company/ former self confessed adult film star reportedly calling himself Bigus ******, beats up 2 Marines |
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And don't let my own youth bother or hinder you any. I'm not hard to find.
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Patrick
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DEC 23, 02:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Yeh, well...I'd love to punch it out with you.
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Seriously, man? You've said a lot of outrageous stuff here over the years, but now you're stooping to this?
I'm sure that even at 70 years of age, Don can take care of himself (not that you'd ever appear on his doorstep), but posting crap like this is just plain infantile. Get outside and go for a walk.
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williegoat
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DEC 23, 02:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
You'll have to do lots better than that to get under my skin but I do think I remember reading about that fracas.
And don't let my own youth bother or hinder you any. I'm not hard to find.
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MidEngineManiac
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DEC 23, 06:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Seriously, man? You've said a lot of outrageous stuff here over the years, but now you're stooping to this?
I'm sure that even at 70 years of age, Don can take care of himself (not that you'd ever appear on his doorstep), but posting crap like this is just plain infantile. Get outside and go for a walk. |
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Don has been taking digs and pokes at me trying to provoke a reaction for over 10 years.
Well, he finally got one. Even the nicest dog bites when poked enough.
I dont need weapons or fists to do it. An open-handed ***** -slap and a little "settle down" should do just fine.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 12-23-2020).]
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