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sourmash
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DEC 08, 01:40 PM
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There's an easy to digest video out there called All Wars Are Banker's Wars. Worth a few minutes of time.
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Boondawg
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DEC 08, 02:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
... so it would have been close to 20 yrs since Pearl Harbor and the anger and resentment in my area was still very much evident.
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I believe the slow-flow of information back than helped keep feelings isolated alot longer than today.
Limited external information allowed stories to stew longer internally.
Like History, wars always seem a million miles away...until they ain't.
It makes one wonder how we pulled The North & The South together militarily for the next big war after them hating each other so strongly during The Civil War?
How could each fight for a side they didn't believe in?
Hate between The North & The South lasted loooooong after the last Civil War veteran was dead.
You can probably still see a touch of it today...
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rinselberg
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DEC 08, 02:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Face it social media and cable "news" the USA is the world bad guys.
Mostly because we wont do anything about it.
Mostly
I see a lot of posts about how ****ed up the US is and how we bombed Japan, if you even respond with the attack at Pearl Harbor some vegetable munching mouth breather is going to fire back that you care more about boats than people.
That is where I usually leave them with a **** you that's why. You can't fix it. |
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Social media and cable news are not in any way equivalent or interchangeable.
There isn't a program anchor or regular reporter on MSNBC (and hardly an MSNBC contributor or guest) that would come anywhere close to that description of a "vegetable munching mouth breather." Or say such a thing or even anything remotely like such a thing about the U.S. and Japan in WW2.
I think there's a little more "crazy" on CNN, like Don Lemon, although he's not that crazy, but I can't see any "veritas" in that Pennock's post, unless MSNBC and CNN are specifically excluded from the cable news part of it.
For the sake of "veritas" (again) that really calls out to be narrowed to just social media (like Facebook and Twitter), or in so far as cable news, to be interpreted as Over The Top exaggeration in the service of a less extreme POV.
Since the bombing of Japan was part of that statement--let's say the atomic bombing of Japan--I think the number one reason that the U.S. went ahead with Hiroshima and then, just days later, Nagasaki, was to ward off the Soviet Union from launching an amphibious invasion of the Japanese mainland. If not the number one reason, at least right up there at the very top. Forcing Japan to surrender to the U.S. immediately and almost unconditionally was very essential for that purpose.
How many people were previously aware that the atomic bombing of Nagasaki was not the last bombing mission against Japan by the U.S. in WW2? There was actually one more. It came right in the wake of Nagasaki.
Not that I deserve any particular credit for knowing that. I just happened to be watching TV at the right time when they put that on. The History Channel? Could have been the History Channel.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 12-08-2020).]
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blackrams
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DEC 08, 07:37 PM
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Those that have not experienced a personal loss or risked a loss tend to have significantly shorter memories. While I really try to be fair to those who were enemies at some point, I have not and will not forget those that have done us wrong.
Killing of innocent civilians is unacceptable in any conflict. Those acts should never be forgotten so we will stay vigilant toward opportunistic foes.
Rams
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Boondawg
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DEC 08, 08:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Those that have not experienced a personal loss or risked a loss tend to have significantly shorter memories. While I really try to be fair to those who were enemies at some point, I have not and will not forget those that have done us wrong.
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Fair enough.
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olejoedad
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DEC 08, 09:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
(snip)
Since the bombing of Japan was part of that statement--let's say the atomic bombing of Japan--I think the number one reason that the U.S. went ahead with Hiroshima and then, just days later, Nagasaki, was to ward off the Soviet Union from launching an amphibious invasion of the Japanese mainland. If not the number one reason, at least right up there at the very top. Forcing Japan to surrender to the U.S. immediately and almost unconditionally was very essential for that purpose.
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The Russians had absolutely no capability of mounting an amphibious assault against Japan.
The atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and then Nagasaki for the express purpose of foregoing the need of an invasion of the islands.
The casualty estimates for US servicemen, Japanese military and civilians were phenomenal.
Dropping the bombs saved many more lives than were lost in the attacks.
Think what you will or want, but please have a knowledge base for your ruminations.
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maryjane
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DEC 08, 10:08 PM
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Boondawg
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DEC 08, 10:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
To many people nowadays, WW2 is ancient history. Out of sight, out of mind.
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Boondawg
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DEC 08, 10:13 PM
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"How much amphibious lift capability did the Soviet Union have in the Far East in 1945? To what extent could they have meaningfully participated in the invasion of Japan without the Allies providing them with transport?"
Now THAT'S a Google search! 
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rinselberg
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DEC 08, 10:37 PM
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The first part of my previous message, about social media and cable (TV) news... that's where the preponderance of the "gravitas" in that message resides. My speculation about the WW2 atomic bombs and Japan and the USSR... it's prompted by some articles that I've read and video content that I have seen. I was thinking back to some of these "reads" and "views"... maybe not remembering them as they actually were.
 [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 12-08-2020).]
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