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| Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated (Page 3/5) |
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 25, 11:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
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There is a lot of emotion over this covid thing. I am TOTALLY ok with asking, recommending and suggesting masks and distancing and hand washing and hand sanitizer. I am equally AGAINST forcing ANY of it on America and have said from the start of this that history will look back at the covid lock downs in a bad light.
Forcing businesses to close and dry up and blow away is war against America. Forcing businesses to limit the number of customers to a less than profitable number is war against America. Forcing children to not get an education is war against America. Forcing families to not gather in their own homes is war against America. Forcing people to not be able to attend funerals, weddings, birthdays and get togethers is war against America.
I have bumped heads with some PFF members over choice, including Don "MJ" who asked me at one time "how much freedom are you willing to give up in the name of safety?". Well this is my chance to ask the same.
People are forced to wear seatbelts in cars and helmets on motorcycles for the privilege of using them, in the name of safety. But the people are free to take the safety gear off as they exit the dangerous privilege. People have argued (unsuccessfully) that drugs should be legal, in the name of personal choice, EVEN in light of knowing that the drug use will affect others...........BUT BUT BUT all of a sudden covid is a totally cool case for Nazi Germany style lock downs, arrests for no mask, arrests for large gatherings in private homes and businesses, curfews and closure of massive amounts of businesses and parks and public spaces ALL in the name of safety.
OK, what ever.
And people wonder why so many refuse to comply??? Even going so far as ridiculing them and calling them names and accusing them of being crazy or senseless or mindless or stupid or ignorant conspiracy theorists. I say none of you know "them" any more than you know the "experts". But the judgments role on like a train,....in the name of safety they shall be silenced and arrested and eventually FORCED to take medical treatment "vaccine" .....of course in the name of safety.
"How much freedom are you willing to give up in the name of safety?"
Legalize drugs for everybody but God forbid people go in public without a mask.
OK, what ever.......
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maryjane
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NOV 25, 01:18 PM
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| quote | | I have bumped heads with some PFF members over choice, including Don "MJ" who asked me at one time "how much freedom are you willing to give up in the name of safety?". Well this is my chance to ask the same. |
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A hell of a LOT, especially for other people's safety, health, and well being.
I've given up a heck of a lot more of my own freedom in the past than what these relatively insignificant Covid19 protocols call for, and with some pretty severe penalties for violating those restrictions.
Not my first rodeo.
Go spend a couple of years at Guantanamo Naval base when the cold war was still serious business or a year deployed on a man-of-war in the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean in the 70s and you'll know what real sacrifice of personal freedom means.
This stuff that's going on today? Masks?BFD
This stuff today? It ain't **** .[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 11-25-2020).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 25, 09:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
A hell of a LOT, especially for other people's safety, health, and well being.
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My argument has been the exact same in reference to drugs. And all I got was arguments hate and negative ratings. The same exact thing can be said about Policing and laws over the years.
Now, for some reason, people see it my way,..... "in the name of public safety, things need to be restricted and laws need to be made."
Why is it this covid thing that changes things? Safety is safety if it is fighting a "drug war" or a war against an overblown politicized virus that is NOT an Earth ending issue.
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 25, 09:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
This stuff that's going on today? Masks?BFD
This stuff today? It ain't **** .
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I feel EXACTLY the same way as this.
I DO NOT feel the same about forcing people to make the right choices. THAT is theirs to make not mine or yours or ANY politicians choice.
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 25, 10:02 PM
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BTW, thank you Don for your sacrifice. Regardless of the things we may disagree on, I want you and others to know that I recognize the sacrifices that have been made for the good of America and it's imperfect people including me, thank you.
For what it is worth, I was not alive during Nam, but my Father served there as well as my neighbors, who both husband and wife served in
Guantanimo. The stories are crazy and intriguing.
I am a Navy brat. My Father served 20 years and I grew up basically Fatherless as he was deployed for much of my childhood. Sacrifices, yes you have made them, and others have too in their own ways.
Covid ain't Sh** and the both of us know it. MUCH worse can and will happen to America.
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 02:41 PM
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Well I now know someone middle aged who just died yesterday and Covid put her down. She was very overweight but active...worked a normal office job and traveled the world when time allowed. Weight caused the typical health issues but she didn't maintain any of it medically. That didn't cause any issues for her in living a normal life. Covid-19 can hinder you dramatically when you seem healthy.
When she got infected she waited 2 days before going to a walk-in clinic. By then she couldn't make it across the room without being out of breath.
She had developed pneumonia. The clinic called an ambulance for the premier area hospital but it was full so she went to her local county hospital.
She was put on O2 but soon she started experiencing heart & kidney issues. When an opening came up to transfer to the premier hospital she declined moving.
She also refused the ventilator.
Her O2 saturation went down to 60 within a few days in the hospital even on supplemental O2, then it regained to 80 for one day.
The following day kidney failure had really set in and she passed later yesterday.
Political correctness won't allow our society to draw attention to people's weight. Modern medicine has allowed people to live fairly normal lives with weight related health conditions. Covid-19 doesn't recognize political correctness.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 11-26-2020).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 02:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Well I now know someone middle aged who just died yesterday and Covid put her down. She was very overweight but active...worked a normal office job and traveled the world when time allowed. Weight caused the typical health issues but she didn't maintain any of it medically. That didn't cause any issues for her in living a normal life. Covid-19 can hinder you dramatically when you seem healthy.
When she got infected she waited 2 days before going to a walk-in clinic. By then she couldn't make it across the room without being out of breath.
She had developed pneumonia. The clinic called an ambulance for the premier area hospital but it was full so she went to her local county hospital.
She was put on O2 but soon she started experiencing heart & kidney issues. When an opening came up to transfer to the premier hospital she declined moving.
She also refused the ventilator.
Her O2 saturation went down to 60 within a few days in the hospital even on supplemental O2, then it regained to 80 for one day.
The following day kidney failure had really set in and she passed later yesterday.
Political correctness won't allow our society to draw attention to people's weight. Modern medicine has allowed people to live fairly normal lives with weight related health conditions. Covid-19 doesn't recognize political correctness.
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It is my opinion that in general, America is very unhealthy. Our schools have been saying for years that the kids are over weight and inactive. MANY Americans are on or taking some type of medication for something. Very few Americans lead an "active" life style.
This virus seems to be an extreme predator of pre-existing conditions, even in the "healthy" community.
People ask why American has such a difficult time with this virus compared to other Countries, all of the debates aside let's assume this is true. I wonder if this virus is an indicator of the health of our population rather than the lack of precautions?[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 11-26-2020).]
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Patrick
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NOV 26, 03:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Political correctness won't allow our society to draw attention to people's weight. Modern medicine has allowed people to live fairly normal lives with weight related health conditions.
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It's not like the information isn't out there. I tried to give some gentle reminders in This recent thread. However, it was no surprise that these posts got very little traction. Many people live for the moment, with scant regard to consequences.
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 04:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
It's not like the information isn't out there. I tried to give some gentle reminders in This recent thread. However, it was no surprise that these posts got very little traction. Many people live for the moment, with scant regard to consequences. |
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Sometimes the truth REALLY hurts. I think this is one of those times to be brutally honest, if we are going to discuss covid to it's N'th degree. Bad health has VERY real consequences whether it is our fault (out of shape or bad diet) or totally out of our hands like genetics or other out of our control variables.
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 04:43 PM
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They accuse people of fat shaming and treat it like bullying/hate speech.
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