Total Deaths vs. COVID-19 (Page 3/11)
Boondawg OCT 06, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


How many people nationwide, (in real numbers) have been counted as a covid death but really died from auto accident, gunshots, falling down the stairs and what % of the total 214,694 reported Covid deaths are they?




That's what I want to know.
I keep hearing people talk about people who died from auto accident, gunshots, falling down the stairs, etc. being counted as covid deaths.
It always seems to be hearsay.

Or is it just like anything Obama?
It has/had to be happening because it can/WILL be imagined...

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 06, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


With all due respect, I’m failing to see what you mean.

These are all deaths. We could be 100% wrong on what deaths are marked for COVID-19, and we’d see about 240k excess deaths from what we’d expect this year. The next question we’d ask to that, is why? Where are those deaths coming from? It turns out that we have very small variance to that number in our COVID-19 deaths, indicating that our COVID-19 reported deaths may actually be very accurate.

To suppose that we are not accurate in reporting, I would like to see actual data that would show that. I hear your rebuttals and they totally make sense logically, but the data is the data, and the data doesn’t show that. The data suggests that the marked deaths are reported (mostly) correctly.




I assume you've seen the video from the Director of Health in Illinois who stated at a press conference that they are in fact including anyone who has COVID at time of death as a "COVID DEATH?" She even went on to say, "this includes deaths where the cause was completely unrelated to COVID, such as in an auto accident, etc."

I can try to find it, but don't want to go through the effort if you've already seen it.
Jake_Dragon OCT 06, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I assume you've seen the video from the Director of Health in Illinois who stated at a press conference that they are in fact including anyone who has COVID at time of death as a "COVID DEATH?" She even went on to say, "this includes deaths where the cause was completely unrelated to COVID, such as in an auto accident, etc."

I can try to find it, but don't want to go through the effort if you've already seen it.



https://week.com/2020/04/20...aths-are-classified/
theBDub OCT 06, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I assume you've seen the video from the Director of Health in Illinois who stated at a press conference that they are in fact including anyone who has COVID at time of death as a "COVID DEATH?" She even went on to say, "this includes deaths where the cause was completely unrelated to COVID, such as in an auto accident, etc."

I can try to find it, but don't want to go through the effort if you've already seen it.



How do you explain the large number of excess deaths this year, that follow the same trend line as COVID deaths?

Did you click on my report?
Hudini OCT 06, 08:21 PM
Deaths accelerated in old folks homes by COVID? People that would have died later rather than sooner? Deaths attributed to COVID so the nursing home doesn't get sued by the kids?

The whole truth may never be seen but the whole story has not been written as of yet.
82-T/A [At Work] OCT 06, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:

How do you explain the large number of excess deaths this year, that follow the same trend line as COVID deaths?

Did you click on my report?




No, sorry... I didn't want to read this whole thread, just kind of over all this stuff. There's no doubt that there were many deaths as a result of COVID. But you have to remember that there was a monetization incentive with labelling a death as being COVID-related.

Thanks Jake for finding the link: https://week.com/2020/04/20...aths-are-classified/

Yes... every state did this... but a lot of this is being politicized, so while all states are doing this, it was refreshingly honest that the Illinois Director of Health was simply frank about it.


I mean, no one doubts that COVID is bad, but the "death count" appears to be significantly exaggerated... and at this point, there's no way to really know, and no real benefit to anyone to go back and try to reevaluate every death.
theBDub OCT 06, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

Deaths accelerated in old folks homes by COVID? People that would have died later rather than sooner? Deaths attributed to COVID so the nursing home doesn't get sued by the kids?

The whole truth may never be seen but the whole story has not been written as of yet.



Do you have any data that would indicate this? Or is this just a massive conspiracy by all states and nursing homes?

Could it be that it’s just.... COVID-19?
theBDub OCT 06, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
No, sorry... I didn't want to read this whole thread, just kind of over all this stuff. There's no doubt that there were many deaths as a result of COVID. But you have to remember that there was a monetization incentive with labelling a death as being COVID-related.

Thanks Jake for finding the link: https://week.com/2020/04/20...aths-are-classified/

Yes... every state did this... but a lot of this is being politicized, so while all states are doing this, it was refreshingly honest that the Illinois Director of Health was simply frank about it.


I mean, no one doubts that COVID is bad, but the "death count" appears to be significantly exaggerated... and at this point, there's no way to really know, and no real benefit to anyone to go back and try to reevaluate every death.



Todd, how can the death count be significantly exaggerated, if the excess deaths are above the COVID-19 deaths?

Isn’t the simplest answer that COVID-19 really has killed 200k people, vs. hundreds of thousands of people all in on a lie?
maryjane OCT 06, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


Do you have any data that would indicate this? Or is this just a massive conspiracy by all states and nursing homes?

Could it be that it’s just.... COVID-19?



Yep.

Exactly what is the definition regarding this context, for "significant" and "many" ?
???


I've seen people claim ' a lot' of the traffic accident deaths have been counted as Covid deaths.
Texas, in 2019 had 3,722 traffic fatalities. Divide that by 365 (days)and it's 10.2 traffic fatalities per day. Yesterday, 100 Texans died of Covid 19 according to John Hopkins Univ website and Worldometer website.

How many (or few) Texans dying in an auto accident that also had covid19 does it take to make those daily deaths all but statistically insignificant?......unless of course, one is prone to believe that every single traffic death in Texas is attributed to covid19.



So again...How many is "many" ?

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 07, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


Todd, how can the death count be significantly exaggerated, if the excess deaths are above the COVID-19 deaths?

Isn’t the simplest answer that COVID-19 really has killed 200k people, vs. hundreds of thousands of people all in on a lie?




I think you're overthinking this, and I think you're looking at this from a political perspective.

The video I posted (I assume you watched it?) literally discusses how a COVID DEATH is classified. Every state follows the same guidelines for reporting. The Director of Health from Illinois says in a news briefing that they label any death a “COVID DEATH,” where it is determined that the patient had COVID during autopsy / time of death. She literally says (and I quote):


“That means you were already in hospice and had a couple of weeks left to live, and then found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death.”


...she then goes on to say:

“That also means that technically, if you died of a clearly alternate cause, but still had COVID at the time of death, you are listed as a COVID death.”


... and then she says, “Everyone who is listed as a COVID death, does not mean that COVID was the cause of their death.”


For reference... there are 200k people who die EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the state of Texas alone. These deaths are anything from choking on hot dogs to tripping over the newspaper, to gunshots, to whatever. Conceivably, this math isn't hard...

Take a state's rolling year-to-year average of deaths... then when 2020 is over, you take the total number of deaths in that state (which would include /ACTUAL/ COVID deaths). You subtract the 2020 death toll from what would have been the estimated death toll for that year using trend-analysis from year to year. You take that number, and subtract it from the actual death count of 2020... and barring any other unforeseen catastrophes that year, you'd have your total amount.

But 2020 isn't over yet, and I don't think anyone really cares.

The only people who really WANT to sustain this high number is for political reasons.


I don't blame Trump for COVID deaths any more than I do deaths caused by hurricanes or flooding. We all know that Hillary Clinton, or Ronald Reagan, wouldn't have handled this any better.


So, no one is "lying..." per say, it's just a matter of classification. If you're going to look at what I said above, and disregard it, you are literally being partisan here. If you care enough, you can do the math with the simple formula I came up with once we get past 2020.

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