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blackrams SEP 22, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Jonesy:


Um no, all my red bar proves is that some people on this forum have no control over their emotions, and would rather silence someone and remove them, and live in a echo chamber, than attempt civil discourse. Sounds very SJW leftists to me, and there are very very few left leaning people on this forum, and none that i would consider SJW level leftists. So its obvious that what red i have in my bar came from the forums more conservative members, so what does that say about them?

SNIP

But i do admit to calling some of you out from time to time when you act like idiots to each other, or when a bunch of members like to gang up on another member, and some people here apparently don't like being called children while they act like one, so hence my red bar.. But toxic vitriol happens so often here now, i don't even bother. I'm just waiting around to see who survives the eventual purge of the forum that your all bringing upon yourselves. Should at least be interesting.




All I can say about this is, we are all responsible and accountable for what we say and do. Most of us know what the reactions will be when we speak out, we do so (or don't) knowing there are consequences to it. That doesn't mean we should keep quiet when we have strong feelings about a particular issue but, it does mean we shouldn't be surprised by the reaction we get. I assure you, my "red bar" is a reflection of when I have spoken out. It did not come as a surprise in most cases. YMMV

Rams

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2.5 SEP 22, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jonesy:

Basically not trying to "make" as in "force" one too think.. As in hold them down and tell them to "think you bastard!".. lmao..

But provide good credible information, if the person your giving the information to has a brain, they are gonna think about it, they won't be able to help it. Even if its later on, away from other people, which is usually the case.



Reminded me of this

Jonesy SEP 23, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


All I can say about this is, we are all responsible and accountable for what we say and do. Most of us know what the reactions will be when we speak out, we do so (or don't) knowing there are consequences to it. That doesn't mean we should keep quiet when we have strong feelings about a particular issue but, it does mean we shouldn't be surprised by the reaction we get. I assure you, my "red bar" is a reflection of when I have spoken out. It did not come as a surprise in most cases. YMMV

Rams




Oh believe me, i wasn't surprised about it, i knew i would get negs from the fakers here, and it only proves my point. What i mean by fakers, is some here are more than willing to dish it out, but can't take it, and do the opposite of what they preach, as they complain how people with the same views as them are getting banned on social media, then they use the same exact tactics here against someone whos views they don't like, or someone like me, who calls out their toxic behavior from time to time. Only due to the rating system, they do it silently, in secret, without having to expose themselves. It's a bit cowardly if you ask me, and quite hypocritical. I've never personally used the rating system to try to silence anyone here, well except that one time that guy came on here posting a bunch of dirty pictures all over the forum, and we all grouped up and got him banned quick. I just don't believe in it (the rating system) i just let Mr Pennock deal with it if he feel its needed, this is his world after all, who am i to say who can go, and who can stay?

Personally i think even allowing political discussions on a hobbyist forum is a bad move. I speak from experience. Me and 7 of my close friends a long time ago used to run a gaming community. We had well over 1000 members in our community, ran 5 different game servers, and had a website and forum. It lasted for about 12 years, and it was great. Every year we would rent out a conference room at a hotel, and have giant lan parties, give away prizes (we were sponsored by nvidia) and it was always a great time. Nothing like having 200+ people all in the same room, gaming out together. We always had a blast at the parties, and online together, everyone was good friends. But about 10 years in, one of my 7 friends decided to add a "politics discussion" too the forum, were members can talk politics. Within a year we lost half our members due to arguments and fights in that forum, another year later, the community was dead and gone. Decade long friendships ruined, our community was gone. I should have shut that forum down right when all the fights started, but i didn't, and it killed everything.

I'm not saying Mr. Pennock should ban political discussions here, its his forum, he can do whatever he wants. I'm just stating from personal experience, if you want to kill off a hobbyist community, all you gotta do is allow political discussions, and eventually, it'll happen.

2.5 DEC 17, 10:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XiOZk58QpQ

What he says at 7:39, well, they weren't... but clearly there are attempts via CRT for example, to raise kids to be racist now....

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rinselberg DEC 17, 11:11 AM
There are people and groups that have been going "overboard" on this, but overboard in both directions--or every possible direction. Anti-racism gone wild, and anti-anti-racism gone wild.

I have one name of interest to add to this discussion: Christopher F. Rufo.

Imagine what ESPN's Chris Berman could do with that. If there were an NFL player with that name. Chris Rufo. "Mahomes connects with Chris "Rufo(ver) my head" who "could-go-all-the-way." But I digress.

These look like worthwhile (but not just bite-sized) "reads" on the topic:


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Conservatives have launched a growing disinformation campaign around the academic concept. It’s an attempt to push back against progress.


"What the hysteria over critical race theory is really all about"
Fabiola Cineas for Vox; June 24, 2021.
https://www.vox.com/2244382...e-theory-controversy



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To Christopher Rufo, a term [critical race theory] for a school of legal scholarship looked like the perfect [target.]


"How a conservative activist invented the conflict over critical race theory"
Benjamin Wallace-Wells for the New Yorker; June 18, 2021.
https://www.newyorker.com/n...critical-race-theory

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2.5 DEC 17, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

There are people and groups that have been going "overboard" on this, but overboard in both directions--or every possible direction. Anti-racism gone wild, and anti-anti-racism gone wild.
...

These look like worthwhile (but not just bite-sized) "reads" on the topic:

"What the hysteria over critical race theory is really all about"
Fabiola Cineas for Vox; June 24, 2021.
https://www.vox.com/2244382...e-theory-controversy

"How a conservative activist invented the conflict over critical race theory"
Benjamin Wallace-Wells for the New Yorker; June 18, 2021.
https://www.newyorker.com/n...critical-race-theory




"Hysteria" "going overboard" "whats its really all about"

How many other ways can you tell us how to think?

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From your article "Its connotations are all negative"

Correct

From your article: "they’re seeking to re-engineer the foundation of human psychology and social institutions through the new politics of race, It’s much more invasive than mere ‘correctness,"

Correct

From your link
"It all began as racial justice protests took off across the country in the summer of 2020 and a Fox News story fashioned critical race theory as a boogeyman."

Ah, incorrect. Many people can think for themselves and see that it is a bad idea. Have you seen the opening video in this thread?
Boogeyman? Perhaps, in the sense that the left insists it is not really there.

From your article:
"Racism is a problem in the United States, and conservatives don’t want us to name it because they are uncomfortable with it.”

Ha. Objection your honor..framing the argument.
Is it also becuse they are racists? Are they Bigots? DO they call people names instead of arguing facts? LOL

Think things are being twisted?

From your article:
"Critical race theory emerged in law schools in the 1970s and ’80s as an alternative to the mainstream discourse and classes on civil rights law, ..... According to the doctrine of the time, ... "

Today:

"The Merriam-Webster dictionary even changed the definition of racism"

The left does like to change word meanings to further an agenda. Equality somehow magically became equity as well.


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Do you deny that what Desantis said is and was happening is and was happening?

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rinselberg DEC 17, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
Do you deny that what Desantis said is and was happening is and was happening?


No.

But I have zero expectation that the likes of former president Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gaetz and many others who are part of, or who are linked to today's Republican Party, intend to do anything constructive about it.

Now Ron DeSantis might well be separating himself from the "MAGA-pack" by being more thoughtful in his assessments and reactions.

There's been widespread legislative activity in Republican-led state legislatures across the nation, singling out Critical Race Theory as a problem--but I believe a lot of this activity is wrong-headed, misinformed, disingenuous, and part of an idea or way of thinking that would take the U.S. backwards, not forwards, in terms of the national "rightness on race."

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2.5 DEC 17, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
...wrong-headed, misinformed, disingenuous, and part of an idea or way of thinking that would take the U.S. backwards, not forwards, in terms of the national "rightness on race."




You described what the racist agendas that Desantis is against would and are doing.
Hudini DEC 18, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

No.

But I have zero expectation that the likes of former president Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gaetz and many others who are part of, or who are linked to today's Republican Party, intend to do anything constructive about it.

Now Ron DeSantis might well be separating himself from the "MAGA-pack" by being more thoughtful in his assessments and reactions.

There's been widespread legislative activity in Republican-led state legislatures across the nation, singling out Critical Race Theory as a problem--but I believe a lot of this activity is wrong-headed, misinformed, disingenuous, and part of an idea or way of thinking that would take the U.S. backwards, not forwards, in terms of the national "rightness on race."




I disagree strongly with your suggestion that this is "wrong-headed", "misinformed", or "disingenuous". Desantis is right on with his analysis of the current situation and others are slowly catching on to the absolutely horrible things being taught in schools. Whenever you hear the word "Equity" you can be damn sure it's Woke-speak for tipping the scales based on some hard left ideology. We know what is going on. We will not accept it. Color Us United.
Rickady88GT DEC 18, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:


I disagree strongly with your suggestion that this is "wrong-headed", "misinformed", or "disingenuous". Desantis is right on with his analysis of the current situation and others are slowly catching on to the absolutely horrible things being taught in schools. Whenever you hear the word "Equity" you can be damn sure it's Woke-speak for tipping the scales based on some hard left ideology. We know what is going on. We will not accept it. Color Us United.



"woke" is a racist dog whistle