Mail In Ballots thread #2 (Page 3/7)
Hudini SEP 04, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

How else can one get a ballot if they do not request one?

Is there a real difference between:
if I request a ballot, get it, fill it out and mail it in
or
if the county precinct in which I vote mails me one on it's own and I fill it out and mail it in?




There is the problem MJ. The state sends out a ballot to everyone on the voter rolls without being asked. And there is no way to check who signed it and sent it back. Mail-in and Absentee are two totally different animals. I just sent in my Absentee request because 'm stuck here in China. I had to show all kinds of ID with my signed application. Mail-in does not require this effort.
blackrams SEP 04, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:


There is the problem MJ. The state sends out a ballot to everyone on the voter rolls without being asked. And there is no way to check who signed it and sent it back. Mail-in and Absentee are two totally different animals. I just sent in my Absentee request because 'm stuck here in China. I had to show all kinds of ID with my signed application. Mail-in does not require this effort.




That is precisely the issue, there is no way for the state to verify who actually voted. I was told that vote counters were going to try to verify signatures from the time that each voter initially registered to the signature on the ballot. First, my signature might be similar but, I doubt that state will hire folks trained as Graphologist.. At least with in person voting, I have to show some form of ID or billing statement.

Being honest, too many times more than 100% of registered voted in some elections, many of those were deceased voters. Such instances always come up in Blue states.
The old saying about smoke and fire seems applicable.

I have absolutely no issue with an Absentee Ballot, if one has sufficient reasons a state allows, that's good enough for me. There is plenty of time prior to Nov. 3rd to request, receive and send back an Absentee Ballot. Get it done.

Rams

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maryjane SEP 04, 03:47 PM

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Such instances always come up in Blue states.



And red states and purple states.
Nothing is 100% foolproof and it never has been, nor will it ever be.
All the conspiracy theories and those that latch on to them in both this issue and covid19 is an amazing event considering this nation is supposedly a relatively mature and educated peoples
Hudini nailed it back near the beginning.


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It would take some concerted effort to hide a large amount of it though.



Next thing ya know, someone will claim the other side is engaged in some bizarre cult of child abuse in the back rooms of a Washington DC pizza joint..oh..wait.

Or that man has never landed on the moon...oh wait.

Or that Covid19 is a complete fraud and doesn't really exist..oh wait.

Or that Trump stole the election with help from the Russians..oh wait.

Or that Covid19 is caused by 5G..oh wait.

Or that Covid19 is 'just the flu'..oh wait.

Or that 94% of of the Covid deaths weren't really caused by Covid19..oh wait.

Or that the most recent actor to play in a Batman movie got it from playing with bats in a movie set batcave..oh wait.

Or that there really is a 100% effective cure for all cancers but "big pharma' bought it up decades ago and is hiding it...oh wait.

Or that 'big oil' bought up the rights to a carburetor that made an engine get 300MPG..oh wait.

That aliens capable of traveling interstellar space at or above light speed are coming here just to gut a few cows..oh wait.

The gullibility of certain demographics never ceases to amaze me.

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randye SEP 04, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


The gullibility of certain demographics never ceases to amaze me.




Exactly who are these "certain demographics"?
maryjane SEP 04, 08:15 PM
Those people (individuals and/or groups) that are prone to believe and spread "news facts' that are neither news nor facts while presenting little or no proof that backs up their claims.

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randye SEP 04, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero:

I can see them pushing for their people, but why push for how the vote is cast?




From "motor voter laws" to "same day registration & voting" to ballot harvesting to mail in balloting, only ONE political party always seems to push for voting methods than make the process LESS secure rather than more.

WHY does anyone suppose that is?

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williegoat SEP 04, 09:19 PM
The "previously undiscovered" boxes of ballots are the "hanging chads" of mail-in and early voting. They were found in cars and closets here for weeks after the 2018 elections.

Also, unplanned early voting locations were set up in the last few days before the elections and only some select neighborhoods were informed.

The investigations are still dragging on, quietly.

Yeah, sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist and I am not ashamed to admit it. I don't have to hear it on the radio to know when it is raining.

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blackrams SEP 04, 10:52 PM
Hudini was correct, it would take a huge effort. Which is precisely the push going on now.
This has been attempted previously by the same party in many big cities and now wants to do it nation wide.
Denying the potential threat only enhances the chances of it occurring.
Put a system in place that is thought out and not rushed so that we can all agree it was a fair election regardless of who wins.
The last thing we need is another court challenged election. Which is precisely where we're headed.
This will not end well for us as a nation.

Rams
williegoat SEP 04, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

The last thing we need is another court challenged election. Which is precisely where we're headed.
This will not end well for us as a nation.

Rams


I suspect that this is why Hillary has counselled Biden not to concede and why Bloomberg is talking about the "red mirage". Maybe it makes me a crazy conspiracy guy, but I have strong suspicions.
blackrams SEP 04, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I suspect that this is why Hillary has counselled Biden not to concede and why Bloomberg is talking about the "red mirage". Maybe it makes me a crazy conspiracy guy, but I have strong suspicions.



HRC should have been put in jail a long time ago but, that's not the issue here.

Lots of folks have some very strong feelings but, I don't think anyone would deny that there will be votes mailed in that are not verified. It could be from Red or Blue states but, we all know who is pushing for mail in votes.

No one has enlightened me as to why Absentee Votes will not suffice for this election in states that don't already have a mail in system. It's actually a pretty simple way to vote, I've done it and if I can get it done, it can be done.

Rams