Panera Tried Socialism, It Failed (Page 3/16)
Tony Kania FEB 19, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:

So if this is true, if they are not truly socialist. Why do we not implement those same polices?

Also, for everyone trying to use anecdotal evidence to say why America is happier, the facts disagree with you.

Happiness Index

Freedom of the Press

HDI
The facts back me up.




Even by these standards, I am happy.

Your "facts" seem unaffected by my happiness. I do wish you the best. It will be a tough life if you continue on this path of hatred. It really will.
Threedog FEB 19, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I am happy. You are not.
Conservatives are generally pretty happy people, they make their own happiness. Leftists seem to always find something that makes them unhappy.
If all of the leftists moved to socialist countries, the USA would certainly be the happiest place on earth.




This is not evidence. These are not facts.

Of course there are happy people in America. However the percentage of people who are happy in America is far lower because our system mistreats so many people that are not you.

You are thinking of this as a "I want to make you unhappy and me happy", no, I want to make everyone happy, educated, and able to work at a living wage.

Also, I am plenty happy living here, I am not happy how much other people are not. I can criticize this country while liking it, there is no harm in that. Just because you don't like some American policies or leaders or reps does not mean you do not like America.


Threedog FEB 19, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
Even by these standards, I am happy.

Your "facts" seem unaffected by my happiness. I do wish you the best. It will be a tough life if you continue on this path of hatred. It really will.



"I will ignore the facts because I do not agree with them."

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Jake_Dragon FEB 19, 03:40 PM
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
There will always be a cost and those that will stand in line to take advantage even when its a much shorter task to just work for what you need.
But its not something that the few can continue to provide. When you take away an incentive to work, when you take away the choice.
Who is going to pay for Socialism? Point them out please.

Please explain how a public servant has made a fortune while denying the same to their constituents will be able to bring this to the US. Its not socialism its slavery.

Don't be so narrow sighted.
Threedog FEB 19, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

There is no such thing as a free lunch.
There will always be a cost and those that will stand in line to take advantage even when its a much shorter task to just work for what you need.
But its not something that the few can continue to provide. When you take away an incentive to work, when you take away the choice.
Who is going to pay for Socialism? Point them out please.

Please explain how a public servant has made a fortune while denying the same to their constituents will be able to bring this to the US. Its not socialism its slavery.

Don't be so narrow sighted.


Except this idea that social disadvantages are deserved is a complete and utter myth. Social mobility in this country does not exist in the way you discuss it. Right now, it is simply not possible for the majority of people to make more money than their parents in this country.


Source. Our social mobility is severely lacking.
The "incentives" you talk about are true. You need some level of inequality to encourage people to climb the social ladder, but we have hit far too high of levels. The vast majority of Americans are not able to increase their income for many reasons, but mostly because the starting point is so low. These European countries that have these "socialist" policies are actually more free when we look at the data for social mobility.

By cutting taxes completely on the top 1% of the population and cutting social welfare programs we have widened the gap. "Trickle-down economics" did not work and it has not worked.


There is a balance between social welfare and social mobility, and right now we have cut social welfare so badly that social mobility is just not possible.
If you want to read up on the reasoning, it is here. There is far too much evidence for a single post on this forum.

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Jake_Dragon FEB 19, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:

Except this idea that social disadvantages are deserved is a complete and utter myth. Social mobility in this country does not exist in the way you discuss it. Right now, it is simply not possible for the majority of people to make more money than their parents in this country.


Source. Our social mobility is severely lacking.
The "incentives" you talk about are true. You need some level of inequality to encourage people to climb the social ladder, but we have hit far too high of levels. The vast majority of Americans are not able to increase their income for many reasons, but mostly because the starting point is so low. These European countries that have these "socialist" policies are actually more free when we look at the data for social mobility.

By cutting taxes completely on the top 1% of the population and cutting social welfare programs we have widened the gap. "Trickle-down economics" did not work and it has not worked.


There is a balance between social welfare and social mobility, and right now we have cut social mobility so badly that social mobility is just not possible.
If you want to read up on the reasoning, it is here. There is far too much evidence for a single post on this forum.




You are being indoctrinated into a society that will take everything away from you. When there is nothing to gain then what is the point?

But guess what? We don't have to worry because as much as the few "loud" players spout crap there are more silent majority that will never adapt Socialism.
We will not have it forced on us and we are not going to give up our way of life because a few seem to believe its for everyone's best interest.
There will come a time when the truth will come out one way or another.

Now if you don't love our country as it is please move to one of those that are currently ran the way you want.
olejoedad FEB 19, 04:31 PM
I'm not going to tell you 'Love it or leave it' as intelligent criticism is a path to improvement in any system analysis.

I will tell you to research your sources.
I have read many articles on different topics from the very same sources you cite.

I have found all of them to be based toward a globalist view of the world, and extremely critical of any conservative policy.

I reject your sources, and your argument.

I appreciate your participation in the discussion.
2.5 FEB 19, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I am happy. You are not.
Conservatives are generally pretty happy people, they make their own happiness. Leftists seem to always find something that makes them unhappy.
If all of the leftists moved to socialist countries, the USA would certainly be the happiest place on earth.



Agreed.
williegoat FEB 19, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:

This is not evidence. These are not facts.


It is a fact that I am happy. The fact that all of your posts rant about the inability of some Americans to rise above their station is evidence that you are not happy.


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Of course there are happy people in America. However the percentage of people who are happy in America is far lower because our system mistreats so many people that are not you.


Who, specifically, are these mistreated Americans?


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You are thinking of this as a "I want to make you unhappy and me happy", no, I want to make everyone happy, educated, and able to work at a living wage.


You are wrong, again. I do not want to make anyone unhappy. Not everyone will be happy. That is not my responsibility.
Anyone who wants to work can make a decent wage. I have taught, hired and managed many.


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Also, I am plenty happy living here,


You constantly demonstrate otherwise. Your own words are the evidence.


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I am not happy how much other people are not. I can criticize this country while liking it, there is no harm in that. Just because you don't like some American policies or leaders or reps does not mean you do not like America.


The last two sentences are evidence of the freedom that all Americans enjoy.
2.5 FEB 19, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:


Also, I am plenty happy living here, I am not happy how much other people are not. I can criticize this country while liking it, there is no harm in that. Just because you don't like some American policies or leaders or reps does not mean you do not like America.




You dislike it enough to want to take the freedom out of it.

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