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rinselberg
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JUN 30, 04:03 AM
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Speaking or writing in the vernacular VS speaking or writing using precise legal terminology
Was it a "quasi insurrection"?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 06-30-2021).]
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williegoat
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JUN 30, 10:26 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Was it a "quasi insurrection"?
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Rickady88GT
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JUN 30, 01:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Speaking or writing in the vernacular VS speaking or writing using precise legal terminology
Was it a "quasi insurrection"?
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What happened on Jan6 was criminal trespassing. They broke a few windows and doors. That was it. Of the dozens of people that trespassed that day, virtually no damage was done, no vandalism no harm done to the building. In fact a typical trailer park fight causes more collateral damage than what happened on Jan6.
Tha real damage is going to be political, and that is EXACTLY what the goal is. BUT I believe voters are going to see this and hold the democrats responsible for the lies, hype and hysteria.
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rinselberg
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JUN 30, 05:43 PM
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That (from Rick) is an accurate description of most of the people who went inside the Capitol Building on January 6: just "trespassers."
But that is not all the people and the more serious cases are just that: more serious.
I am going to take the liberty of duplicating the full text of a press release from a few days ago (June 23) from the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia.
I already referenced this on the previous page of this thread, but I think it does no harm to bring it back on this page of the thread for an encore performance. I think (maybe) people that access the forum on their cellphones may not be having the same forum experience as others (like myself) that see Pennock's on a full-sized video display. This isn't from a commercial news venue, so I don't feel like it's "cheating" on my part to duplicate the entire text.
This is from the U.S. Department of Justice website:
Florida Man Pleads Guilty to Charges of Conspiracy and Obstruction Following Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
Defendant is First in a Sixteen-Person, Oath-Keeper-Affiliated Conspiracy Case to Cooperate and Plead Guilty Arising from Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
A Florida man pleaded guilty today to crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
Graydon Young, 54, of Englewood, pleaded guilty to counts one and two of the fourth superseding indictment issued on May 26, which charged him with conspiracy and obstruction of justice. Young faces up to 20 years in prison for obstruction of Congress and up to five years in prison for conspiracy as well as three years of supervised release and a $250,000 fine.
According to court documents, Young coordinated with others – some of whom are affiliated with the Oath Keepers – in advance of his activities in Washington on Jan. 6. For example, Young and others discussed the need to maintain operational security and, accordingly, used encrypted messaging applications to communicate. On Jan. 4, Young flew from Florida to North Carolina and drove with at least one co-conspirator to the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area the next day. On the morning of Jan. 6, he met up with some of the co-conspirators at an event near the White House. In the early afternoon, Young marched with some of the co-conspirators toward the U.S. Capitol.
Young admitted to unlawfully entering the restricted grounds of the U.S. Capitol around 2:28 p.m. and, around 2:40 p.m., joining co-conspirators to walk up the east side of the building. Young and others walked in a “stack” formation, with each person keeping a hand on the shoulder of the person in front. Young believed that when he entered the building, he and the co-conspirators were trying to obstruct, influence and impede an official proceeding, specifically Congress’s certification of the Electoral College vote. Young admitted to intending to stop or delay the Congressional proceeding by intimidating and coercing government personnel who were participating in or supporting the proceeding.
Around 3:05 p.m., Young exited the Capitol and, around 4:22 p.m., posted to Facebook, “We stormed and got inside.” Young deleted his Facebook account two days later.
The case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Substantial assistance was provided by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida.
The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington and Tampa Field Offices.
In the 150 days since Jan. 6, approximately 465 individuals have been arrested on charges related to the Jan. 6 Capitol breach, including over 130 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.
"Florida Man" (lyrics) from The Dee-Oh-Jays "January 6" album:
https://www.justice.gov/usa...lowing-jan-6-capitol[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 06-30-2021).]
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sourmash
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JUN 30, 06:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
What happened on Jan6 was criminal trespassing. They broke a few windows and doors. That was it. Of the dozens of people that trespassed that day, virtually no damage was done, no vandalism no harm done to the building. In fact a typical trailer park fight causes more collateral damage than what happened on Jan6.
Tha real damage is going to be political, and that is EXACTLY what the goal is. BUT I believe voters are going to see this and hold the democrats responsible for the lies, hype and hysteria. |
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Those who count the votes are the only ones who matter. We saw how that played out so far. When the ballot box fails...I don't remember the rest of the old saying.
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randye
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JUN 30, 11:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Speaking or writing in the vernacular VS speaking or writing using precise legal terminology
Was it a "quasi insurrection"?
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Babbles something about "precise legal terminology" then completely invents bullshit legal term: "quasi insurrection"
Grudgingly had to admit that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION so he tries to redefine legal terminology.
LEFTISTS gotta LEFTIST......[This message has been edited by randye (edited 06-30-2021).]
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randye
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JUL 01, 12:07 AM
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BREAKING NEWS:
As of today, still NOT ONE PERSON has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
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rinselberg
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JUL 01, 10:43 PM
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Wednesday, June 30, 2021.
"Alabama Oath Keeper Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy Charges Related to Jan. 6 Capitol Breach"
| quote | Mark Grods, 54, of Mobile, is charged with federal offenses that include conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting. Grods entered his guilty plea in the District of Columbia on June 30.
According to court documents, Grods and others in the conspiracy agreed to plan and participate in an operation to interfere with the certification of the electoral college vote on Jan. 6 by coordinating with others in advance, using websites and social media to recruit other participants, and traveling to Washington, D.C. According to his plea, Grods joined an invitation-only encrypted Signal group message titled “DC OP: Jan 6 21” and participated in a four-person online meeting titled “SE leaders dc 1/6/21 op call.” On Jan. 4, Grods traveled with others to Washington and brought firearms, and eventually provided them to another individual to store in a Virginia hotel. |
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That's just a "spoonful" from another U.S. Department of Justice press release. The entire press release is like a single page of text from a novel. No "biggie."
https://www.justice.gov/usa...jan-6-capitol-breach
"Alabama man, now we know your plan . . ."
If the narrative that the Capitol protest was a "deadly insurrection" is falling apart--as this topic was set up with the Original Post--then it's falling apart into some good-sized fragments, like these Conspiracy charges.
"Prove me wrong."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-01-2021).]
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randye
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JUL 02, 12:03 AM
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BREAKING NEWS:
As of today, still NOT ONE PERSON has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
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randye
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JUL 03, 01:30 AM
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BREAKING NEWS:
As of today, still NOT ONE PERSON has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
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