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williegoat
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DEC 23, 02:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I was thinking about trying to work up something in the spirit of the season, starting with "T'was the night before Impeachment and all through the House..."
It's already been done... by the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee.
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It's a Christmas miracle! Rinselberg is thinking like a Republican.
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 23, 06:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I believe we can all agree that President Clinton was Impeached and tried. He was also acquitted during the Senate trial, whether or not I agree with that verdict is irrelevant. The fact is, he was impeached.
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True, he was let off the hook by the Democrats who controlled the Senate at the time. But the fact is that the process was allowed to play out. This time the House is playing politics and refusing to let the system play out.
I agree that there is no reason to say that Trump is not impeached. The House is done with their part of the process of impeachment and now it is time for the Senate to do their's.
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Following that thought process, I would consider President Trump, simply awaiting trial.
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Agreed
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It really doesn’t matter, this isn’t about anything but the 2020 election. We all know it whether we admit it or not.
Rams
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How ironic that the dems have said that Trump tried an illegal or unfair tactic (scandals) to win the election, but now they actually are the ones using scandals to influence the election.
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cliffw
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DEC 23, 08:28 PM
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Now, breaking news, ... the House (which is not in session) is threatenig to bring forth more Articles of Impeachment.
This ought to be good.
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blackrams
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DEC 23, 08:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Now, breaking news, ... the House (which is not in session) is threatenig to bring forth more Articles of Impeachment.
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This process has been so corrupted by the Democrat leadership, it really doesn't matter. Unless President Trump actually shoots someone in Times Square with Republican witnesses, I don't see anyone changing their minds. DJTs base is solidly behind him and the left wants him out anyway they can do it.
That last part was meant to be a funny...……. 
The really funny part is, they have no one to blame but themselves. They ran Hillary Clinton for President. There wasn't a conservative on the planet that would have voted for her.
Edited: If the truth was known, my bet is, the Clintons are pulling the strings on this whole process from behind the curtain. If, that were to be discovered, a bloody battle would be a real possibility.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 12-23-2019).]
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randye
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DEC 23, 09:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I believe we can all agree that President Clinton was Impeached and tried. He was also acquitted during the Senate trial, whether or not I agree with that verdict is irrelevant. The fact is, he was impeached.
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I think that the facts show and we can all agree that Clinton committed actual criminal acts, (perjury before a grand jury, witness tampering / influence, obstruction of justice) for which he was indicted.
He also lost his SCOTUS bar practice permit which was never reinstated.
He was later cited for willful contempt of court by Federal Judge, Susan Webber Wright and assessed a $90,000.00 fine and referred to the Arkansas Supreme Court for other disciplinary action.
He surrendered his Arkansas Bar license for 5 years and paid a nominal $25,000.00 fine as part of a plea bargain with the independent counsel Robert Ray on the day before he left office, knowing that in 2 days he would no longer be immune from criminal prosecution and possible jail time.
The Arkansas Bar license was never renewed and remains abandoned.
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Conversely, President Trump has never been charged, indicted or convicted of any statutory criminal act.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 12-23-2019).]
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blackrams
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DEC 27, 09:47 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I think that the facts show and we can all agree that Clinton committed actual criminal acts, (perjury before a grand jury, witness tampering / influence, obstruction of justice) for which he was indicted.
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Conversely, President Trump has never been charged, indicted or convicted of any statutory criminal act.
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Oh, I agree. What I have accepted is that President Trump has been impeached by the House. That is not to suggest in anyway that he is guilty. I see this accusation as simply an attempt to influence the 2020 election. Reference Slick Willy, there was never any doubt in my mind he lied under oath.
Now, I'm just waiting (Like the Senate) for Speaker Pelosi to quit playing games (like she has some authority in the Senate) and present the articles of impeachment to the Senate.
Says she wants a "fair" trial. IOWs, she isn't willing to let Senator McConnell do what she just did in the House. The hypocrisy is pegged off the scale.
Rams
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williegoat
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DEC 27, 12:26 PM
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I wonder if the Senate must pretend the articles do not exist (since they have not been formally presented), or if they could just go ahead and draft a resolution refuting or condemning them.
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seems to be a useful symbol as of late
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Jake_Dragon
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DEC 27, 12:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I wonder if the Senate must pretend the articles do not exist (since they have not been formally presented), or if they could just go ahead and draft a resolution refuting or condemning them.
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Better one 
I don't normally follow politics and the lessons I learned in school were a long time ago so perhaps I am a bit rusty.
But there is a reason our government is broken up into different branches so one branch can not take control and dictate rule over all of us.
Its setup that way so it doesn't lead to a monarchy where the ruling class does what they want and the citizens have no voice.
VOTE people while you still can.
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cliffw
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DEC 27, 12:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
The really funny part is, ...
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Umm, I believe you are wrong,  . The really funny part is Nutsy Nancy wants the Senate to ASK her President to give evidence of guilt. Which he could have already done if he had done anything wrong. He is such a, in their words, "such a threat", that they could not wait for the courts to compel testimony.
What happens now ? The courts ? Why would the President do something for the Senate he would not do for the House ? No court makes anyone prove their innocence or testify against themselves. He does have Executive Privileges, for a reason, likely because of this sham. They have been wanting to, and have tried many times, to make a case. (Once for disparaging Colin Kapernick's kneeling for the National anthem.) They failed again and now want the Senate to do it.
I don't care if he was asking for opposition research, from a foreign country. They did not interfere with our elections. Biden clearly asked for quid pro quo, involving his son. You would be a fool to not think there is plenty of quid pro quo going on to keep party votes, or change them. Dumb members of Congress did indeed go to Ukrain to get dirt on President Trump and Shillary did so to help her win the election (as documented in Ukrainian courts).
blackrams, the part not even remotely funny, is how the Dumbs cried about how Putin was trying to divide the Country (which he did try). Yet they have divided it deeply. Which begs the question ... who is colluding with Russia? We know Shillary, and the DNC did.
| quote | Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero:
The crimes they are accusing the President of don't fall into this category?
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Obstruction of Congress ? Is obstruction of the President a crime ? We have three co equal branches of government. The House could have gone to the courts. The Senate could too and I argue only then can any President obstruct Congress.Click to show
Abuse of power ?
DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted
Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."Click to show
No. Well, that would be up to you.
Nutsy Nancy did not even want to ...
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Nancy Botox,  , ... she is the Speaker of the House.
The Speaker of the House 'presides' over the House.
THEY RULE !
Last night, for sure historic, our third President has had Articles of Impeachment passed by the House. Who was presiding over the House ? Not Nancy. How many "Where is Hunter ?" T-shirts were sold ? Where IS Nancy ? A historic moment.
She was there. She chose not to preside. She was given opening remarks. And the impeachment vote tally count.
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Her opening remarks :
Pointing to a poster with the US flag, with the words "the Republic for which it stands". Look up the definition for Republic. Hell, I will do it for you.
noun
a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
The supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote, which they will do in eight months.
LitebulbwithaFiero, you are the Republic.
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randye
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DEC 27, 07:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Says she wants a "fair" trial. IOWs, she isn't willing to let Senator McConnell do what she just did in the House. The hypocrisy is pegged off the scale.
Rams
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I have recently had to revise my opinion that all leftists are hypocrites.
It is now inescapably apparent that many leftists are NOT hypocrites.
They are simply totalitarian statists who believe that they are superior to everyone else and that rules and laws do not apply to them.
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