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Tony Kania
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APR 16, 10:28 AM
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You don't count.
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Yes I do. So do you. Have you not filed out the Census?
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 16, 10:37 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Govt used to segregate race too.
Civil disobedience can be a good thing.
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Segregation can be a good thing too, in the right circumstances. Some groups are simply incompatible with others.
That leads to 2 options. Segregation, or war to determine the dominant group.
No, we CANT just all get along. Diametrically opposed values and views preclude that option. It will work short term until the underlying tension and anger boils over.
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Tony Kania
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APR 16, 09:24 PM
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Learn the difference between Socialism and Liberty. When people fear government, it’s called Socialism. When government fears people, it’s called Liberty.
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D B Cooper
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APR 18, 10:03 PM
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Man of the Week Award goes to.....
https://taskandpurpose.com/...-closure-coronavirus
| quote | 'LAND OF THE FREE': Protester wears US Navy uniform and refuses to leave the ocean amid beach closures
The man, who was identified by a witness as a retired US Navy chief, was seen photographed standing in front of a sign that read "LAND OF THE FREE."
Mike Conner, a longtime resident of Emerald Isle and a surfer, told Insider the retired sailor stood in the waters for about 10 minutes before he was approached by law enforcement officers. Conner said the man was asked to remove himself from the area, but refused the request. |
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 19, 10:51 AM
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I think that's pretty cool. I'm glad he did what he did.
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D B Cooper
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APR 19, 11:04 AM
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Michigan House speaker Lee Chatfield did a decent job of summing up the concerns many of us have with the Michigan Governor's emergency orders this week.
https://www.woodtv.com/wp-c...lF-xSSBAR6Am7oCrFL8M
Key words: 'Safe vs Unsafe', and 'regional' - he hit the nail on the head there.
We don't need someone to decide for us what activities are 'essential'. Restrictions to limit peoples' risk should revolve around what level of risk they present, and pose as little restriction as possible. And the level of risk is obviously not the same in Barga County up in da U.P. where I don't think there's a single confirmed case, as it is in Wayne County, where there are 13,000+ in the same number of square miles. You would not see the kind of discontent and pushback we've been seeing lately, if the measures were not seen as arbitrary and one-size-fits-all.[This message has been edited by D B Cooper (edited 04-19-2020).]
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cliffw
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APR 19, 11:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by D B Cooper:
Michigan House speaker Lee Chatfield did a decent job of summing up the concerns many of us have with the Michigan Governor's emergency orders this week.
Key words: 'Safe vs Unsafe', and 'regional' - he hit the nail on the head there.
We don't need someone to decide for us what activities are 'essential'. Restrictions to limit peoples' risk should revolve around what level of risk they present, and pose as little restriction as possible. And the level of risk is obviously not the same in Barga County up in da U.P. where I don't think there's a single confirmed case, as it is in Wayne County, where there are 13,000+ in the same number of square miles. You would not see the kind of discontent and pushback we've been seeing lately, if the measures were not seen as arbitrary and one-size-fits-all.
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I stand for self determination. I do understand your thoughts and agree with them. I have those thoughts, ... more thought.
Yes, Detroit may be a bigger risk. They have banned buying paint in MI. If it was only banned in Detroit, those in Detroit, at a bigger infection rate would shop rural.
Spending Covid to those less likely to take it as serious (not using mitigation).
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maryjane
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APR 19, 11:45 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by D B Cooper:
Key words: 'Safe vs Unsafe', and 'regional' - he hit the nail on the head there.
We don't need someone to decide for us what activities are 'essential'. Restrictions to limit peoples' risk should revolve around what level of risk they present, and pose as little restriction as possible. And the level of risk is obviously not the same in Barga County up in da U.P. where I don't think there's a single confirmed case, as it is in Wayne County, where there are 13,000+ in the same number of square miles.
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Risk..presented to someone..or risk FROM someone?
Do they have a blockade to prevent travel from one county to the other?
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D B Cooper
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APR 19, 11:56 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
I stand for self determination. I do understand your thoughts and agree with them. I have those thoughts, ... more thought.
Yes, Detroit may be a bigger risk. They have banned buying paint in MI. If it was only banned in Detroit, those in Detroit, at a bigger infection rate would shop rural.
Spending Covid to those less likely to take it as serious (not using mitigation).
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No reason to ban buying paint, landscaping supplies, or nursery plants in the first place. Just practice the same precautions as when buying anything else right now. No need to incentivize the Detroiters to go rural after that stuff. And lets face it, most of the folks spreading virus around down here are not the folks you typically see doing home improvement projects.
They also arbitrarily banned taking any motorized boat out. My mother's next door neighbor up in St Clair County (relatively few cases up there) had already been taking his fishing boat out on the St Clair River walleye fishing a few times this spring before the Halfwhit swung the ban hammer. Many like to start getting out salmon fishing Lake Huron beginning in April too. Fishing boats may not be essential, but aren't contributing to actual risk either.
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D B Cooper
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APR 19, 12:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Risk..presented to someone..or risk FROM someone?
Do they have a blockade to prevent travel from one county to the other?
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Risk inherent in any given activity, so both 'to' and 'from'. And no, no actual blocades. The rules right now say no non essential travel, but you can drive up north to go to a state park. But you can't go up north to a second home you actually own, or go visit a friend or relative, whether across the street, or 500 miles away... unless you're coming from out of state, in which case you can do any of those. Like I said, arbitrary.[This message has been edited by D B Cooper (edited 04-19-2020).]
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