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rinselberg
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JUN 21, 05:01 PM
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"FBI Agent Acknowledges Trump Backers Discussed 'Revolution' Before Jan. 6"
| quote | | According to court records, an FBI agent has acknowledged that supporters of former President Trump were openly discussing a "revolution" days prior to the January 6 Capitol riot. NBC's Ken Dilanian has details. |
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Air date: June 21. Duration: 3+ minutes.
https://youtu.be/JVcuVjbHeqo
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"FBI agent acknowledges in court filing that Trump backers discussed 'revolution' before Jan. 6"
| quote | | Language in an FBI court document contrasts with how [FBI Director Chris Wray] has portrayed what experts call a vast trove of intel pointing to potential violence. |
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How it starts:
| quote | WASHINGTON — The FBI director and other senior officials have consistently downplayed the intelligence value of social media posts by Trump supporters prior to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, suggesting the bureau had no "actionable" warning that the Capitol would be targeted by a mob.
But according to a document entered into court records last week, an FBI agent acknowledged in a February investigative report that angry Trump supporters were talking openly in the days before the riot about bringing guns to the Capitol to start a "revolution."
"A review of open source and social media posts leading up to and during the event indicates that individuals participating on the 'Stop the Steal,' rally were angered about the results of the 2020 presidential election and felt that Joseph Biden had unlawfully been declared 'President-Elect,'" said the report by FBI Special Agent Patricia Norden. "Users in multiple online groups and platforms discussed traveling to the Capitol armed or making plans to start a 'revolution' on that day."
Norden cited the posts as part of the FBI's justification for opening an investigation into former NYPD officer Thomas Webster, who was indicted in March on seven counts after he admitted attacking a Capitol Police officer on Jan. 6. Webster, who has pleaded not guilty, says he was struck first; a federal prosecutor said Webster displayed "pure rage" befitting a "junkyard dog." Video of the alleged assault was released Thursday.
Norden’s report didn’t accuse Webster of being involved in the social media agitation. |
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The FBI director said that most of what the FBI has learned about the attack on the Capitol, it learned through the massive investigation it has conducted in the aftermath, an investigation that so far has resulted in charges against nearly 500 people.
"If we knew all the information that we've developed in our investigations before Jan. 6, we would have built an intelligence product based on that and provided it to all sorts of people," Wray said, adding at a different point, "I think I've been very clear consistently that I think the FBI needs to do better and we're determined to do better."
Rep. Carolyn Maloney, the New York Democrat who chairs the House Oversight Committee, was not satisfied.
"FBI Director Wray admitted today that he was unaware of the more than 50 tips from social media site Parler prior to the Jan. 6 warning of violence including one user posting that stated, 'Don't be surprised if we take the Capitol building,'" she said.
"This was a massive intelligence failure by the FBI, plain and simple." |
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Ken Dilanian for NBC News; June 21, 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...olution-jan-n1271305
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randye
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JUN 22, 12:24 AM
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BREAKING NEWS:
As of today, still NOT ONE PERSON has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the events of January 6, 2021[This message has been edited by randye (edited 06-22-2021).]
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Hudini
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JUN 22, 02:36 AM
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What is truly scary are the people still being held in jail. 6 months since Jan. 6th and people are being held for trespassing.
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JUN 22, 05:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
What is truly scary are the people still being held in jail. 6 months since Jan. 6th and people are being held for trespassing. |
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I think the ones that are being held like that in pretrial detention are facing charges that are more serious than just trespassing without the aggravating circumstance of violence or property damage. Some are charged with violently assaulting police officers at the Capitol Building. Some are charged with conspiracy to obstruct Congress. And some have "priors" that involved violence.
"Prove me wrong." As another forum member has been wont to say.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 06-22-2021).]
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randye
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JUN 22, 06:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Prove me wrong." As another forum member has been wont to say.
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Typical LEFTIST bullshit.
Throw out some speculation and unproven theory bereft of any supporting evidence and then make it someone else's job to disprove your nonsense.
You don't have the honesty to just admit that you simply don't know but you do have the laziness to make someone else do your work.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 06-22-2021).]
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JUN 22, 07:55 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
What is truly scary are the people still being held in jail. 6 months since Jan. 6th and people are being held for trespassing. |
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What I said before. When this Jack O Lantern made its Thread Debut. One message back, and then, the message before that one. Message number 203, to invoke the way that messages are indexed, relative to the Original Post.
But now I approach it from the other direction.
"U.S. judge orders 'Three Percenter' charged in Capitol riot released on bail"
| quote | WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal judge ordered a California man tied to the right-wing "Three Percenter" militia movement to be released from jail while he awaits trial on charges of helping plan the attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump.
The judge said in a ruling late Tuesday that prosecutors had not shown defendant Russell Taylor posed a threat to the public, noting he had not entered the Capitol building during the Jan. 6 unrest. . . .
The ruling on Taylor, which came the day after a magistrate judge ordered the release of a former California police chief associated with the group, means that around half of the at least 26 members of those three groups charged have been released to await trial. . . . |
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Mark Hosenball for Reuters; June 16, 2021.
https://news.yahoo.com/u-ju...enter-181622366.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 06-22-2021).]
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olejoedad
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JUN 22, 07:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I think the ones that are being held like that in pretrial detention are facing charges that are more serious than just trespassing without the aggravating circumstance of violence or property damage. Some are charged with violently assaulting police officers at the Capitol Building. Some are charged with conspiracy to obstruct Congress. And some have "priors" that involved violence.
"Prove me wrong." As another forum member has been wont to say.
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You need to provide some information, rather than speculation.
It is a fool's errand to do otherwise.
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rinselberg
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JUN 22, 08:05 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
You need to provide some [specific] information, rather than speculation.
It is a fool's errand to do otherwise. |
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Actually, I just did. I think you likely did not see it because you were posting here at the same time.
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sourmash
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JUN 22, 09:46 AM
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These are political prisoners.
And when a repeatedly violent convicted criminal resists arrest and is killed or dies in a police confrontation, the police are immediately charged, named, fired.
When a Black Capitol officer, alleged to be a BLM supporter, shoots a non-violent veteran with no criminal record we aren't allowed to even know his name.
Rinse is arguing support for this gulag system.
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cvxjet
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JUN 22, 06:57 PM
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Nothing happened on Jan 6....Just a normal day at the capitol with tourists...trying to break down the barricade that Rep. Andy Clyde helped to put up!!!!!
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