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blackrams
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FEB 11, 08:56 AM
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Blocked roads, bridges and ports are a good thing if, the reason is something you support but, not so much if the reason or group blocking isn't someone or thing you support.
Got it. 
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-11-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 11, 09:44 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Blocked roads, bridges and ports are a good thing if, the reason is something you support but, not so much if the reason or group blocking isn't someone or thing you support.
Got it.
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Again, I totally understand your stance, but what do you prefer? I know we can all be like... I don't care what Canada does, as long as they keep sending down Coors Light and Tim Hortons K-Cups, but I do really feel for them. I also feel really badly for countries like Australia.
We fought our battles in the US, and we won. All the mandates were struck down, and the states have the power to do what they want. The states that still insist on this nonsense have lost literally millions of people, and they've all come to Texas and Florida. But Canadians don't have that privilege. They are set up similar to a Republic since they modeled their new constitution after the U.S. Constitution, but not to the extent that we have where states can tell the Federal government to kiss ass.
What else are these people to do? I totally support it.
I can laugh at BLM for creating that autonomous zone, but any logical person can see the enormous difference between the BLM RIOTS and the trucker blockade if you will. The closest thing I can compare the Trucker Blockade to is a union work stoppage / protest. Those have the exact same effect as this does. I definitely am allowed to have opinions, and there's no reason why I have to like every protest just because I support one of them. It doesn't make me a hypocrit, and it doesn't mean that I don't have values, ethics, or standards either (not suggesting you are saying any of that, but just want to be clear).
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blackrams
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FEB 11, 10:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Again, I totally understand your stance, but what do you prefer? I know we can all be like... I don't care what Canada does, as long as they keep sending down Coors Light and Tim Hortons K-Cups, but I do really feel for them. I also feel really badly for countries like Australia.
We fought our battles in the US, and we won. All the mandates were struck down, and the states have the power to do what they want. The states that still insist on this nonsense have lost literally millions of people, and they've all come to Texas and Florida. But Canadians don't have that privilege. They are set up similar to a Republic since they modeled their new constitution after the U.S. Constitution, but not to the extent that we have where states can tell the Federal government to kiss ass.
What else are these people to do? I totally support it.
I can laugh at BLM for creating that autonomous zone, but any logical person can see the enormous difference between the BLM RIOTS and the trucker blockade if you will. The closest thing I can compare the Trucker Blockade to is a union work stoppage / protest. Those have the exact same effect as this does. I definitely am allowed to have opinions, and there's no reason why I have to like every protest just because I support one of them. It doesn't make me a hypocrit, and it doesn't mean that I don't have values, ethics, or standards either (not suggesting you are saying any of that, but just want to be clear). |
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Todd,
I have previously stated what I think many times. All that energy, effort, time and money should be spent getting candidates elected that agree with the trucker's perspective.
Pretty simple. This blockade can shut down Canada and cost a lot of misery due to a small group (relatively speaking) of people taking advantage of the road and commerce system. Was reading an article this morning, here is something I thought was quotable and most likely true.
| quote | Yet the fact that so much of the so-called trucker movement’s support seems to be coming from abroad is telling.
The reality is that a combination of factors, ranging from the structure of the Canadian political system to widespread acceptance of liberal cultural values, have made its government especially resistant to far-right radicalism. On issues ranging from Covid-19 to immigration to abortion, the mainstream consensus has held.
The freedom convoy’s willingness to disrupt life in Canada’s capital is less a sign of an incipient popular uprising than the lashing out of a minority that has little influence at the ballot box. |
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...ATJznn?ocid=msedgntp
Again, I am not passing judgement on the goal of the protest, that's Canada's business. But, I sincerely disagree with the method they've chosen. MEM is correct when he says the trucker's can shut down the world. Stuff has to get moved to keep Canada, the USA and the rest of the world moving economically. How Canada settles their mandate issues is their business but blocking those roads, bridges, streets and ports is way out of line IMHO.
I really think it's pretty pathetic that some will support blocking those roads and ports if, that protest is done for something they agree with but, not if it's done by a group or for a cause they don't agree with. It's not a Double Standard, it's Hypocrisy. United hypocrites are still hypocrites.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-11-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 11, 10:09 AM
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MidEngineManiac
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FEB 11, 10:29 AM
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Rebel news is one of the few REAL journalistic outlets in Canada..Turdeau hates them 
And for this morning giggles......THERE is a good way for a cop to get told to eff right off !!
https://twitter.com/canmeri...message5042552%2Fpg1
Ooooo.....they are watch your constitutional right to free expression. 
Psssttt, cops....we dont care WHAT you watch, your intimidation tactics dont work anymore.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 11, 11:17 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
"...so much of the so-called trucker movement’s support seems to be coming from abroad is telling."
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A lot of people are saying this... but what do they mean support? Am I wrong to assume that the truckers are all Canadian? That some of the money coming in to Canada is from the United States does not change the fact that everyone there is Canadian. I'm not seeing huge convoys (or anyone really) from the United States coming up there and joining the protest. So I think this comment is totally invalid.
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I really think it's pretty pathetic that some will support blocking those roads and ports if, that protest is done for something they agree with but, not if it's done by a group or for a cause they don't agree with. It's not a Double Standard, it's Hypocrisy. United hypocrites are still hypocrites.
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I'm not a computer. My decision tree doesn't look like a series of IF/THEN/ELSE and Case statements. I can... we all can, make decisions to support and not support things based on our values. That I support this convoy, does not mean that I have to LIKE if a similar protest was to take place. I'm sure if there was another blockade for something I didn't support, I would be thrilled if it was broken up and didn't succeed. I can support elections, and hope that Democrats don't turn out to vote... that's not hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is when you do things that you are telling others not to do. I can't think of a single time I've ever told anyone that they can't have a truck blockade in a city in Canada. I'm being silly here, but I think you're really trying to apply a very BROAD label on something that's rather specific.
At the end of the day, I personally do not have faith in the election process here in the United States. I don't really know, nor do I particularly care how Canada votes, or what their processes are. Doesn't mean I am not allowed to have an opinion on something that goes on there. But the recent election in the United States was a sham. Laws in nearly every state were broken. Casting aside anything you may feel are conspiracy theories... it is FACT that most of these states did NOT allow mail-in ballots in whole, or even in the manner in which they were conducted. Actions were taken by election officials that were not theirs to take, and should have been voted on by the state legislatures. Ballot harvesting is generally illegal in most states, but was allowed to occur in the name of COVID-19. Additionally, signature verification requirements were changed across the board, and many standards were waived and / or reduced in the name of COVID.
These are all facts... and the Democrats took advantage of this. You know this, I know this.
But let's go back to the United States here... we can just look at something like the census:
1 - Democrats won the right (or Republicans failed to get passed) that Illegals couldn't be counted in the census. This helped Democrats immensely.
2 - The Census bureau REFUSED, AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, to release the census data to President Trump. The chief, who resigned, said that he didn't trust Trump to faithfully deliver the census without trying to only count U.S. citizens.
3 - Ignoring the fact that the data was supposed to be completed by a certain date (per constitutional law) and provided to the president (per constitutional law)
4 - The census finally delivered the results to President Biden after he was sworn in. The information sat with Biden for some time.
5 - Results were less than what was originally anticipated with respect to it hurting Democrats. This is purely conjecture on my part... but I believe the results were as legally as possible... made to "soften" the blow against shifting demographics against Democrats.
You see... it's not that Democrats play a better ball game... they're literally doing everything they can on the line of legality, and often pushing that limit. Republicans always try, or at least pretend to take the high road, and we are constantly getting taken advantage of.
Right now, the Biden administration does so many things that are unconstitutional, and people don't even care anymore.
So, man... I'm sorry. Call me a hypocrite all you want... at this point, the ONLY way for us to keep our country is for us to start to do the same things that liberals are doing. We don't own the main stream narrative. We aren't playing the long game by infiltrating our schools and placing key individuals in high public office un-elected positions. We need to start doing that... so yes, I totally f**king support this trucker blockade.
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FEB 11, 11:33 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Someone said that this asphalt blockade wasn't affecting commerce. The longer it lasts, the more folks who won't be working due to it. I suppose it doesn't matter if it's not your job.
Rams
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Do you understand that one thing they are trying to do is work, they wont let them cross the border if they arent vaccinated.
Like fats said.
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FEB 11, 11:39 AM
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I don't understand why or how anyone can argue that Trudeux shouldn't just sit down and listen to his constituents. Instead he freezes their funds, and demonizes them with his media.
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MidEngineManiac
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FEB 11, 11:47 AM
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Tru-**** KNOWS full well his mandates and just about everything else surround this SCAMdemic are and illegal and unconstitutional power-grab.
There IS no way for him (legally) in this country to force anybody to get vaxxed (or much of anything else) so he is trying every unconstitutional high-pressure tactic he can to get his own way, so he/they can later sit back and say "well, you chose to get it"
The last living author of Canada's constitution is suing over the violations...https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/last-living-author-of-canadian-rights-charter-sues-trudeau-govt-over-travel-restrictions/
I really dont know WHAT the entire global push is for this clot-shot. It is NOT a virus with a 99+% survival rate. There is some ulterior motive the globalists are so desperate to make sure 100% of human are in on the "experiment".
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Psst....contrary to the Liberal Parties narrative, the proper name for it is "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" and NOT "Charter of Rights and Responsibilities"[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 02-11-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 11, 11:50 AM
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Rams
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And just to be clear... my discussions with you should not be taken as me being aggressive or attacking. Left or right, pro-blockade or anti-blockade... I'm still your Fiero buddy.
on another topic...
Patrick! What did you do buddy?!!! That toad looks so sad, as if it's looking into a window from the outside.
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