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rinselberg OCT 22, 06:42 PM
A Supply Chain Road Map for Offshore Wind Energy in the United States

Shields, Matt, Jeremy Stefek, Frank Oteri, Sabina Maniak, Matilda Kreider, Elizabeth Gill, Ross Gould, Courtney Malvik, Sam Tirone, Eric Hines.
2023. A Supply Chain Road Map for Offshore Wind Energy in the United States. Golden, CO: National Renewable Energy Laboratory.
NREL/TP-5000-84710. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy23osti/84710.pdf.

How the Executive Summary begins...

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The offshore wind energy industry in the United States has been gaining momentum for several
years as the project pipeline has expanded, states have established procurement targets, and
initial investments have been made in ports and manufacturing facilities. These efforts helped
lead to the Biden administration’s announcement of a national offshore wind energy target to
install 30 gigawatts (GW) by 2030. This announcement not only characterized deployment goals
but also identified the need for a domestic supply chain, local workforce, and energy and
environmental justice as part of a new offshore wind industry. There is widespread agreement
that a domestic supply chain will be critical for the sustainable growth of offshore wind energy in
the United States; however, there is a general uncertainty about the scope of such a supply chain,
the development time frames needed to build critical resources, the level of investment required,
the potential benefits that will be available to local communities and workers, and the
significance of gaps in existing manufacturing, port, vessel, or workforce infrastructure on
deployment targets.

In this report, the authors describe how a fully domestic offshore wind energy supply chain could
develop. We summarize the major barriers that could prevent or delay supply chain expansion
and present potential solutions that could help overcome these challenges. We describe the major
factors that need to be considered to develop resilient, sustainable, and equitable manufacturing
capabilities in the United States. Finally, we present a scenario for a domestic supply chain that
estimates the number of required major component manufacturing facilities, ports, and vessels
that would need to be developed by 2030 to support an annual deployment of 4–6 GW. This
deployment rate would put the nation on a pathway to installing 110 GW by 2050 primarily
using domestically produced components. This scenario illustrates the level of investment,
development time, and workforce growth that could be required to develop a domestic supply
chain. We demonstrate that if individual states leverage their existing manufacturing capabilities
to contribute to the offshore wind energy sector, this conceptual supply chain would generate
significant workforce and economic benefits throughout the United States, not just in coastal
locations with active offshore wind energy programs. The results are intended to provide
information to federal and state governments, economic development agencies, organized labor,
project developers, manufacturers, and community representatives to facilitate supply chain
planning and decision-making. The following sections identify key actions that could help to
develop a domestic supply chain and summarize the analysis work detailed in this report (which
helps to inform the list of actions).


... and how it ends.

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It will take time to build a domestic offshore wind supply chain. As a result, there is an urgency
to invest in supply chain resources if they are going to contribute to the 30-GW-by-2030 target.
Despite this urgency, it will still be critical to meaningfully engage with key stakeholders,
including host communities and other groups that will be impacted by new supply chain
development. We are faced with a unique opportunity to create a substantial domestic
manufacturing industry that can be tailored to support the energy transition, address unique U.S.
market conditions, create a stable pipeline of well-paid jobs with robust apprenticeship programs,
and maximize benefits to historically disadvantaged communities. Seizing this opportunity will
require effective communication and coordination throughout the offshore wind energy sector to
make strategic investment decisions in a timely manner while incorporating perspectives from
these stakeholders. If we can develop this supply chain in parallel with deploying the first wave
of projects in the United States, the domestic industry will be well-positioned to reliably support
the expansion of offshore wind energy to help facilitate the transition to a decarbonized
economy.





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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
You know how I feel about it Rinse... I think it's all excellent, the thing that irks me about this and solar is that China essentially owns the supply chain for it. So, 85-87% of all solar and wind power proceeds go to China...

Typical RWNJ... dominated by their feelings or emotions, instead of using reason and logic.

The only way to develop a domestic offshore wind energy supply chain is to proceed with offshore wind energy development and provide investor and contract incentives to build up the domestic supply chain as "we go."

I have not studied "A Supply Chain Road Map for Offshore Wind Energy in the United States."

It has almost 200 pages of text and diagrams.

It includes 52 references to the Inflation Reduction Act, which has been touted as the largest federal commitment to date, for Climate Mitigation and Adaptation.

Offshore wind energy development promises Climate Mitigation by providing climate-friendly energy... energy that comes with significant reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, compared to coal, oil and natural gas.

It's not a "no-brainer"... just a "brainer."

RWNJs gonna RWNJ

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maryjane OCT 25, 01:19 AM
It's not RWNJ when the wind turbine industry itself cuts estimates of both productivity and investments due to supply chain challenges and lack of technological ability to implement changes the industry needs to move forward.


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is to proceed with offshore wind energy development and provide investor and contract incentives to build up the domestic supply chain as "we go".


You are speaking not of months but years if not decades and not millions but HUNDREDS of billions of $$ "someone' is going to have to come up with, not to mention tech that doesn't exist in the real world to any significant scale.

Go tell the giants of this industry like Siemens Gamesa, VESTAS and Orsted A/S and see how loud and long they laugh at you.

They have not only (all) downgraded their guidance for 2024 downward on new builds due to supply chain issues worldwide, but have farther (and loudly) noted reliability issues (especially in Gamesa) of both current and older units.

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rinselberg OCT 25, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:
It's not RWNJ when the wind turbine industry itself cuts estimates of both productivity and investments due to supply chain challenges and lack of technological ability to implement changes the industry needs to move forward.


Yes.

My RWNJ reference was specifically to how 82-T/A framed his remarks, with his much narrower focus on China and their competitive advantages.

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maryjane OCT 25, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Yes.

My RWNJ reference was specifically to how 82-T/A framed his remarks, with his much narrower focus on China and their competitive advantages.



And that in of itself is a problem.

NY has gotten on board with this whole US (USA USA USA!!) domestic thing, by promptly endorsing offshore contracts with four (count em--4!! ) European companies

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The new awards, to projects under development by France's TotalEnergies (TTEF.PA), Germany's RWE (RWEG.DE), Britain's National Grid (NG.L), and Denmark's Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners (CIP), are still under negotiation, the state said.

The more than 4 gigawatts of offshore wind power the projects will be capable of generating is the largest share of 6.4 GW of renewable energy procurement the state unveiled. Collectively, the offshore and onshore wind, solar, and hydroelectric projects will be able to power 2.6 million New York homes, the state said.



Europe and the UK thanks you (America) for your dollars!!
cliffw OCT 25, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
... the thing that irks me about this and solar is that China essentially owns the supply chain for it. So, 85-87% of all solar and wind power proceeds go to China...



As with EV batteries which really pollute the world gathering the needed elements, not to mention slave labor, child labor, and unsafe labor conditions.

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rinselberg OCT 25, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
As with EV batteries which really pollute the world gathering the needed elements, not to mention slave labor, child labor, and unsafe labor conditions.


Could you add some facial expression and body language? That came across as someone just reading a line of dialogue from a script.
williegoat OCT 25, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Could you add some facial expression and body language? That came across as someone just reading a line of dialogue from a script.


Here you go:


PhatMax OCT 25, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Could you add some facial expression and body language? That came across as someone just reading a line of dialogue from a script.



I can almost hear Sara McLaughlin singing….
cliffw OCT 25, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Could you add some facial expression and body language? That came across as someone just reading a line of dialogue from a script.



It was the line of dialogue. From my brain !

Can I do anything more for you green guru ?

I have seen at times that audio can be embedded in a post. Beyond my pay grade. "I want my enunciations and I want to use them now.

If you beg, I will add some olfactory punctuation.

Actually rinselberg, a long time ago, many many beers galaxies away, I questioned my illiteracy. I do okay but I lack body language (including facial expressions).

I consider body language, ... not exactly sure how. It's a talent. I believe there is body language educational schooling. Drama class in High School would be an introduction.

I pay attention. Sports announcers, news reporters and weather persons, politicians, commercial actors, many people have that linguistical talent.

That said, ... body language is like dancing. Do you dare do it in public ? rinselberg, do you sing in public, ?

rinselberg OCT 25, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:
New York state has gotten on board with this whole US (USA USA USA!!) domestic thing, by promptly endorsing offshore contracts with four (count em--4!! ) European companies.

"The new awards, to projects under development by France's TotalEnergies (TTEF.PA), Germany's RWE (RWEG.DE), Britain's National Grid (NG.L), and Denmark's Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners (CIP), are still under negotiation... The more than 4 gigawatts of offshore wind power... is the largest share of 6.4 gigawatts of renewable energy the state has unveiled. Collectively, the offshore and onshore wind, solar, and hydroelectric projects will be able to power 2.6 million New York homes..."

Europe and the UK thanks you (America) for your dollars!!


If the projects go ahead, there have to be jobs for people in New York state or close by, along the Atlantic seaboard. They can design these projects in Europe, but how could this not create jobs for people over here, close to where the offshore wind energy projects are actually going to be built?

You can scroll backwards in this thread to "my" YouTube about the New Jersey Wind Port project that is already under development.

Reuters sez:

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New York is also committing $300 million to the development of offshore wind component manufacturing facilities planned by GE Vernova.


As these first offshore wind energy projects get underway, wouldn't it be not unlikely for these Europe-based companies to consider establishing additional design and planning facilities right here in the good old United States?

Diss it for other reasons, if you like, but dissing it just because these major contract awards are going to Europe-based companies? I diss that diss.

"New York throws support behind offshore wind with three project awards"
Reuters; October 24, 2023. Free access via yahoo! finance.
https://finance.yahoo.com/n...shore-141500048.html

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