Rare Hambers is that a thing where you are? (Page 2/2)
cvxjet JUL 20, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:
One thing I wonder about is whether folks who take pills to reduce their stomach acid are more likely to get something because they have less stomach acid...



I had mild acid reflux because of a Hiatal hernia...Back around 2017 I started taking Prilosec, which reduces the amount of acid your body produces....Then in 2018, the burning got worse- my Dr. put me on Omeprazole 40 mg.....But after a few months, I tried to stop and could not...Had to take one every other day.

After 6 months, I had some joint issues, and then my skin started flaking off and wrinkling up (Crepe)...And I was sunburned twice (I am outdoors a lot but keep (relatively) covered up)....After a year, I had to have my shoulder surgically repaired....while recovering I used an online setup to see what my symptoms pointed to...Skin, easy sunburn, joint issues = Lupus....And guess what, the stomach acid medicines are KNOWN to cause Lupus!

If you have stomach acid problems, use Tums, Malox, etc that ABSORBS your acid...Do NOT use the acid reducers...(I think there will be a huge lawsuit sometime in the future over this)

Additional info; I was finally able to get a Dr. to look in my stomach- the Hiatal hernia was not bad- she did, however remove a polyp...and I never had any burning after that- She stated that the Polyp "Doesn't cause burning" but....I had a tumor under my thumbnail that would hurt like a large nail had been driven thru it...After a Dr. removed it I asked why did it hurt so bad- He stated "They normally don't hurt- But if they are ON A NERVE THEY CAN CAUSE PAIN" So that Polyp in my stomach was probably growing on a nerve in my stomach.

Last info; The DR. stated that Prilosec causes Polyps....So taking the Prilosec is what caused the whole situation!
fredtoast JUL 21, 11:35 AM
Nothing wrong with eating beef "rare", but I think there was something wrong with this place serving it rare without you asking for it that way.

If you ever get food poisoning you will have to fill out a long questionnaire about every piece of food you have eaten for the past couple of days. I had a case of campylobacter and it kicked my ass. But I never figured out where I got it.
Jake_Dragon JUL 21, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:

Nothing wrong with eating beef "rare", but I think there was something wrong with this place serving it rare without you asking for it that way.

If you ever get food poisoning you will have to fill out a long questionnaire about every piece of food you have eaten for the past couple of days. I had a case of campylobacter and it kicked my ass. But I never figured out where I got it.



Ground beef is not safe rare/raw it will pick up every contaminate it comes in contact with and then incorporate it. Rare steak can be seared on the outside and kill anything that may have been picked up from the prep surface, ground beef needs to be brought up to temp and there is no way that can be done and still have raw hamburger meat in the middle.


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CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE

(a) Except as specified in subdivision (c) and paragraph (2) of subdivision (d) of Section
114004 and pursuant to subdivision (e) of Section 114091, if an animal food, including beef,
eggs, fish, lamb, milk, pork, poultry, or shellfish, is served or sold raw, undercooked, or without
otherwise being processed to eliminate pathogens, either in ready-to-eat form or as an
ingredient in another ready-to-eat food, the permitholder shall inform consumers of the
significantly increased risk of consuming those foods by way of a disclosure pursuant to
subdivision (b) and reminder pursuant to subdivision (c), using brochures, deli case or menu
advisories, label statements, table tents, placards, or other effective written means.

(b) “Disclosure” means a written statement that clearly includes either of the following:

(1) A description of the animal-derived foods, such as “oysters on the half shell (raw
oysters),” “raw-egg Caesar salad,” and “hamburgers (can be cooked to order).”

(2) Identification of the animal-derived foods marked by an asterisk denoting a footnote that
states that the items are served raw or undercooked, or contain or may contain raw or
undercooked ingredients.

(c) “Reminder” means a written statement that identifies the animal-derived foods by an
asterisk that denotes a footnote that includes either of the following disclosure statements:

(1) Written information regarding the safety of these food items is available upon request.
(2) Consuming raw or undercooked meats, poultry, seafood, shellfish, or eggs may increase
your risk of foodborne illness, especially if you have certain medical conditions
maryjane JUL 21, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I'm sure maryjane could give us the lowdown, but I would guess that if the beef is consumed shortly after it is ground, the health risks would be minimized.

I like everything rare, including burgers and I have survived nearly seven decades; but in all that time, even though I am inclined toward culinary adventure, I have never tried uncooked ground beef.

Now, I have to go read up on Filet Americain.




The reason you can safely eat very rare steak but not rare or raw ground beef (or any other ground meat product) is that the bacteria in whole cuts is on the outside, which gets killed as soon as it hits a hot grill or hot skillet, where the ground products take big chunks of meat, grind them up and the bacteria is dispersed all thru the product.

The #1 culprit is E.coli, followed by salmonella. E.Coli is usually found in the lower digestive tract of cattle and hogs (and humans) It's basically in the feces. During processing, there is a chance of good meat being contaminated by products from that area of the animal. Modern processing has minimized that risk but it's not zero risk. Usually happens when processing equipment doesn't get cleaned completely before the following day's grinding/packaging begins.

Some people shy away from cooked burgers because of the tiny carcinogen risk of the browning process (especially off the charcoal grill) but in the midwest and certain Polish areas of Texas, something called tiger steaks or cannibal sandwiches is a December tradition. It's raw ground beef and there are hundreds of cases of salmonella in those regions every year.
You run a much higher risk of salmonella from poultry and raw eggs than from ground beef especially in the USA due to how the poultry is cooled at the end of the processing. First, the birds are cut open by a machine and sometimes, it screws up and cuts into the intestine or other lower alimentary tract and contaminated the bird with fecal bacteria, tho in the case of salmonella, it is a bacteria that is present all thru the bird from conditions where it was raised. Also present in the eggs. After being defeathered, and gutted, US processors go with water chilling in a large container of cold water (near freezing) and that 'vat' has had hundreds of processed carcasses in it. Bacterial soup. In Europe, almost all poultry is by regs, air cooled and the risk of bacterial infection is much lower.

(Freezing will NOT KILL Salmonella or E.Coli!! It slows down multiplication and growth but doesn't kill it. Those bacteria can with stand cold down far below the temp levels of most freezers. Even down below -20F. It will kill campylobacter.

Mad Cow is completely different as it is not really a living organism at all but a Prion, which is a type of protein that cannot be killed (it isn't living to begin with) by cooking.

fredtoast JUL 21, 02:24 PM
Any of you ever tried Steak Tartare?

I like rare beef, but there is a difference between "rare" and "raw". I was offered a taste of Tartare one time but turned it down. And I will usually try at least one bite of anything.
theogre JUL 21, 02:59 PM
Yup, Rare "Hambers" or hamburgers and any ground meat is dangerous. Rare/Raw Chicken and others are "bad" too.

Example: Many people Still won't eat any level of under cooked Pork even now.
When people had local Butchers had to know if had Pork because X-contamination was a big problem and cook everything Well Done or very risk of dead you.
Trichinosis while rarer today in Farm Pigs is common enough that many Hunters won't eat Under cooked Deer, Bear, and other game.

If hamburgers served Raw/Rare at many restaurants can be Violations of Health Codes for giving area and/or Violations of Company Policies.
Is Why Many chains will only sell burgers and some others as Well Done even if a server forgets asking how done to take the order then have to tell you.

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maryjane JUL 21, 06:22 PM
To say that Trichinosis in the USA is rare would be an understatement. The last outbreak happened back ..... well, to put it into perspective, my current wife was 16 years old and it would be another 3 years before a little white mid-engined car would pace the Indianapolis 500.


And even then, all cases were found to have come from eating wild game..bear meat.
But, there are 2 different illnesses (infections) commonly known as Trich. Trichinosis and trichomoniasis. Both are parasite caused (tiny worms) but Trichomoniasis is a disease found almost only in beef animals and is not transmittable from beef to humans thru ingesting beef, and it is a STD in cattle. The only instance I've ever read about involving cattle to human transmission of trichomoniasis was found to have happened during an AI procedure.
(it is illegal in my state to sell a bull without providing a recent test showing the animal to be trich free)

[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 07-21-2023).]

Jake_Dragon JUL 21, 07:00 PM
Growing up my family were always very careful about cooking food and purifying water. They were all country farm people and were very aware of how fast you can get sick. My grandmother would not trust milk and eggs no matter how they were prepared.
Pork was something we didn't eat a lot of due to parasites', even if they didn't exist. I'm sure at some point someone in the family must have died or got very sick from bad food. It kind of stuck with everyone.

But man I could eat some eggs and bacon, then drown it in milk when I was a kid. I think that's why I'm so tall
Jake_Dragon JUL 28, 02:16 PM

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Salmonella Outbreak Affecting Multiple States Linked To Ground Beef: CDC