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Raydar
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APR 18, 06:51 AM
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I've never owned or even driven an EV, but a friend who works at my old company has a Volvo S8 Hybrid.
He lives about 10 miles from the office and, if he keeps his foot out if it, can drive all the way to work completely on battery. We had charging stations at the office, so I'm sure he plugs in when he gets there.
He said that his electric bill didn't go up terribly. I forget what the figures were, though.
At this point in time, I'm convinced that hybrids are the way to go, if you've got to go at all.
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Cliff Pennock
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APR 18, 09:36 AM
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I like EVs. I would never own one because I would miss the sound of the engine and I don't think EVs are future proof, but other than that they are fun.
A (fully charged) Tesla accelerates from 0-60mph in 3.3s. It has a range of well over 350 miles and it can charge to 160 miles in 30 minutes or so. Which is why I don't think EVs are future proof unless they invent some kind of fast-swapping system for the battery. You know, you go to a "gas" station, drive up to some kind of robot-thingy that will automatically swap your empty battery for a full one in a few minutes.
Anyways, the most fun thing about Tesla is it's Full (autonomous) Self Driving. I've been watching many videos on YouTube and I'm very impressed with what it's already capable of.
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 18, 10:25 AM
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theogre
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APR 18, 10:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar:
I've never owned or even driven an EV, but a friend who works at my old company has a Volvo S8 Hybrid.
He lives about 10 miles from the office and, if he keeps his foot out if it, can drive all the way to work completely on battery. We had charging stations at the office, so I'm sure he plugs in when he gets there.
He said that his electric bill didn't go up terribly. I forget what the figures were, though.
At this point in time, I'm convinced that hybrids are the way to go, if you've got to go at all. |
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Hybrid Charging is an Option for many models but not all.
Nice when have power to charge but have same problem as Full EV posted above.
Best thing is Doesn't need to charge to drive but using Gas or Diesel when battery is "flat" have problems... like low power to merge on a highway and empty the small tank fast for 2 examples.
Is why a lot of people bought Hybrids and drive long distance often hate them. EPA had to change the rules for MPG etc for Hybrids because old rules made EPA fuel use listing a joke. Even Worse then ICE vehicles that rarely = EPA numbers to real world use before and after they change the rules for them too. After is closer real world but still not = for most people.
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theogre
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APR 18, 11:25 AM
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Note that many claim is cheap to charge vs buying gas...
They Ignore Gas and Diesel carries Road and other Taxes and Often the Taxes are = or more $ then the Base Fuel price.
Is only a matter of time when states and feds see Taxes Drop because don't sell enough Fuel that EV and any others have Car Taxes attach to them.
Future Methods have been planned or already tested in some states like:
Making Tesla et al Reporting Miles to State/Feds for Taxes.
OBD2 Dongles to "Phone Home" to the state for Tax per Mile.
Proof?
Example: PA and NJ raise Fuel Taxes because Covid Lockdown and no-one buying Fuel. They will charge EV etc as Fuel Sales drops.
PA or NJ Dropped Fuel Taxes some this quarter/year because no lockdown and buying more fuel.
(E2A--> Both have some Fuel Taxes that have "Quotas" that must meet X$ per Year and Fuel Taxes now "Float" vs Gallons Sold per Quarter/Years previous or future guessing. IE Doesn't require to go to state house etc or tied to state bunged to change the tax.)
EU and other countries have VAT on Fuel too. VAT ~ = to US Sales Tax that are % over base price. In many countries 2x or More "$" for fix taxes and VAT over base fuel price. No way you going to have a lot of EV etc Not Paying Same Taxes as ICE for very long.
Another Fact: Getting Electric in some places is getting Harder and/or more Expensive. That even ignoring long backouts for storms.
Worse, some EV and chargers have "2 way" connections allowing a utility to stop charging or to suck power out of an EV at their whim claiming BS and you left w/ some % charge only. FU if you need a full charge or even % above they let you charge to drive to work the next day...[This message has been edited by theogre (edited 04-18-2023).]
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TheDigitalAlchemist
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APR 18, 11:31 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Anyways, the most fun thing about Tesla is it's Full (autonomous) Self Driving. I've been watching many videos on YouTube and I'm very impressed with what it's already capable of. |
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I wonder about situations about highway entrance ramps. On Long Island, there are some seriously bad setups. exits and entrance ramps that were not designed for people entering a road with people going 80mph+ in the right lane (WTF!) I think some people 'get off' on messing with people.
Do automated cars use turn signals? (I assume they do)
Also, if it realizes it can't "make an exit" because human drivers won't let them exit, will it just go to the next exit and then continue?
I have seen some EVs that looked exactly like a "regular" vehicle. but some of them feel so cheaply made, like I feel like I will break them, the door handles, especially... its like 'terribly fragile'. yuck
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RWDPLZ
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APR 18, 02:51 PM
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Depends on a number of factors, especially which one you get. Two important factors to remember with all EV's in 2023:
-If you don't have a home EV charger (like if you live in an apartment outside of California), forget it. You'll spend HOURS a week trying to charge it. Public chargers are crap.
-If you want to use it for long trips, forget it. Especially on holidays visiting relatives, the public chargers are PACKED, and about a third of public chargers I've been to were broken, even when apps listed them as functional.
if you want to use it for short trips and shorter commutes, it works great, unless you buy a non-Tesla or older Tesla in a cold climate that doesn't have a proper battery heating/cooling system, like the Leaf that is passively air cooled.
If you live in suburbia and have a charger in your garage, and a half hour commute, it works great. Especially if you have a gas car for a backup.
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 18, 04:51 PM
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I personally still think the range solution lies in some sort of on-the-fly generating capability. Daymak has done it with a couple of scooters and micro-cars via solar, but it's not really on-the-fly. It's just a charger-free charging system that under *normal* use means you never have to plug in.
*Normal apparently means short trips with long parked periods between them.
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 18, 10:27 PM
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theogre
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APR 19, 12:43 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:
On Long Island, there are some seriously bad setups. exits and entrance ramps that were not designed for people entering a road with people going 80mph+ in the right lane (WTF!) I think some people 'get off' on messing with people. |
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Yea... Section between Queens Miltown Tunnel to JFK airport is so great for that. And when not if there's even a minor wreck can backup the road and tunnel for Hours.
That section can't handle people driving at posted speed limit let alone most ignores that.
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