Need help in understanding Autism (Page 2/5)
MidEngineManiac SEP 02, 02:51 PM
I started school in 1971.

I do recall a few kids with nut allergies (primary school, pre-grade-5) but back then they were isolated from the nuts and the other 500 kids ate whatever they wanted. That changed in the 80's-90's and schools became nut-free zones to accommodate the few.

As for the Autism/ADHD, I dunno. I have been told both over the years. I did read an article a long time ago that it could possibly be linked to acquired brain injury. I do know most of my "behavior problems" at school (mostly refusal to follow petty rules like snowball fight, candy on the way home, ect) started around grade 2-3. I was born with forceps (mom had pictures of a severely bruised melon) and between kindergarten and grade 2-3 I was knocked the eff out several times playing soccer in the schoolyard by colliding with other kids. I was one of those aggressive balls-to-the-wall players. Don't remember if I was on any drugs but I do recall childhood was a string of one therapist and shrink after another, teachers wanted to put me in a special ed for behavior problems but mom refused. It wasn't that I wasn't smart, I aced the gifted/advanced program in areas that interested me, and failed miserably those that didn't. I just didn't give a crap about those subjects and wasn't going to waste time or effort on them.

Learning French was 'mandatory' here starting in grade 6, another subject I failed miserable and I distinctly recall telling the French teacher that no government was going to tell me what language to speak. I still cant speak a word of it.

By high school I had grown out of most of it, or at least learned to hide my negative reactions a little better in certain settings. Not submit, more of learning discretion and smiling at the time then going and doing what the hell I pleased anyway. Most of the problems those years were smoking related. Late 70's/early 80's was the real start of the anti-smoking bit here and I was having none of it. Still wont. I am a smoker and those who dont like it, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

I have learned over past 5 years the "grin-and-bear-it" mentality actually does more harm long-term than just having the argument up front and getting it over with. Grinning and Bearing it is how you end up with a pressure-cooker of a human being ready to snap at the slightest provocation, and also how you nd up socially-avoiding and keeping human interaction to a minimum, just so you dont have to deal with the irritants and arguments.

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82-T/A [At Work] SEP 02, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

I started school in 1971.

I do recall a few kids with nut allergies (primary school, pre-grade-5) but back then they were isolated from the nuts and the other 500 kids ate whatever they wanted. That changed in the 80's-90's and schools became nut-free zones to accommodate the few.

As for the Autism/ADHD, I dunno. I have been told both over the years. I did read an article a long time ago that it could possibly be linked to acquired brain injury. I do know most of my "behavior problems" at school (mostly refusal to follow petty rules like snowball fight, candy on the way home, ect) started around grade 2-3. I was born with forceps (mom had pictures of a severely bruised melon) and between kindergarten and grade 2-3 I was knocked the eff out several times playing soccer in the schoolyard by colliding with other kids. I was one of those aggressive balls-to-the-wall players. Don't remember if I was on any drugs but I do recall childhood was a string of one therapist and shrink after another, teachers wanted to put me in a special ed for behavior problems but mom refused. It wasn't that I wasn't smart, I aced the gifted/advanced program in areas that interested me, and failed miserably those that didn't. I just didn't give a crap about those subjects and wasn't going to waste time or effort on them.

Learning French was 'mandatory' here starting in grade 6, another subject I failed miserable and I distinctly recall telling the French teacher that no government was going to tell me what language to speak. I still cant speak a word of it.

By high school I had grown out of most of it, or at least learned to hide my negative reactions a little better in certain settings. Not submit, more of learning discretion and smiling at the time then going and doing what the hell I pleased anyway. Most of the problems those years were smoking related. Late 70's/early 80's was the real start of the anti-smoking bit here and I was having none of it. Still wont. I am a smoker and those who dont like it, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

I have learned over past 5 years the "grin-and-bear-it" mentality actually does more harm long-term than just having the argument up front and getting it over with. Grinning and Bearing it is how you end up with a pressure-cooker of a human being ready to snap at the slightest provocation, and also how you nd up socially-avoiding and keeping human interaction to a minimum, just so you dont have to deal with the irritants and arguments.





Just to be clear... at one point, someone mentioned somewhere that ADHD was as a result of brain injury or fever... and that information spread like wildfire, and now a lot of people seem to reiterate the idea that ADHD comes from brain damage. This has been completely debunked, and they've identified an actual gene in DNA that is represented by ADHD

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...articles/PMC3245028/

They've proven it's essentially hereditary as well, as there is a 91% chance of passing it on to your children if you have it. As I've said, my grandfather had it, my dad has it, I have it, and my daughter has it. No brain damage between any of us.
MidEngineManiac SEP 02, 03:36 PM
When it comes to the genetics, I don't know of anyone in the family with it. Mom was psychotic and delusional and spent about 20 years on some serious meds but nobody else in the family has/had those symptoms or any problem with rational and critical thinking or grasp on reality.

I do know the physical genetics come from dads side. I was born with several deformities, so was my niece, and I had 2 uncles with it. Nothing surgeons couldn't fix. But my siblings and my kids are all normies.

I took an interest in the subject getting past the PTSD several years ago, which was really the pressure-cooker situation. Too many years of internalizing and keeping my yap shut at the time just to hold onto a job or whatever, instead of telling people to F.O. and MYOB when they needed it. The neural feedback really does work without drugs on that, so does mindfulness. It's really just a matter of breaking life-long habits and reactions.

I even had one researcher suggest pursuing past-life regression hypnosis since I seem to have been "born with" a lot of my attitudes. I haven't bothered but maybe someday just for sheets and giggles, but it does make me wonder where a kid under 6 or 7 would get such a firm hold on ideals and arguments like liberty and jurisdiction. Certainly nothing at home, it was the least political house you ever saw growing up.

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Patrick SEP 02, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

As I've said, my grandfather had it, my dad has it, I have it, and my daughter has it. No brain damage between any of us.



I dunno, man... I've read your political posts.
cliffw SEP 02, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
I dunno, man... I've read your political posts.




I dunno, man... I've read your political posts.
Raydar SEP 02, 08:18 PM
When I was first starting out in school, I was painfully shy, introverted, and generally bored shitless.
I was pretty much a complete pain in the ass. It didn't help that I was in Catholic school. The most inflexible, intolerant bunch of MF'ing people you could imagine. I still give them credit for some of the social "effed-uppedness" that I possess.
If Ritalin had been around, they'd have had me pumped so full of it that I would have been able to float between classrooms. I'm sure of it.
In retrospect, I have often wondered if I was... on the spectrum, somewhere. But it's pretty much immaterial, now. I survived for the duration of my career, in spite of myself - and lots of other people.
Now that I'm retired, eff 'em. Whoever they may be.

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Patrick SEP 02, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

I dunno, man... I've read your political posts.



Ha! Referring to mine? Yeah, right... It's so nice not having to wade through all that tired old useless regurgitated political bullsh!t in O/T anymore. Thank-you thank-you, Mr Pennock!

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Patrick SEP 03, 03:55 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Autism, along with things like peanut allergies and all these other things... this was not anything I ever remember people having when I was younger. There was no one dying in the lunchroom because they were exposed to a peanut. What's happened in the past 25-30 years to make all of this so much more prevalent?



I was one of those weird kids with severe peanut allergies, and my first symptoms expressed themselves in the mid to late 1950's. It's nothing new, but yes, as with Autism, it certainly seems to be much more prevalent today.
hnthomps SEP 03, 05:21 AM
I am quite familiar with autism and it is very difficult to define. It is just like a Bell Curve and members of the autism group all occupy some position on the curve. It can range from totally nonfunctional, unable to communicate people who can be dangerous to themself or other people to very highly intelligent people with multiple college degrees that cannot function in society or even support themselves in a minimal manner.

It is a very difficult to deal with "disease" that is a lot more prevalent in society that it used to be (at least based on my experience). Their brains are just wired differently than most people and other people do not know how to deal with them.

Nelson
TheDigitalAlchemist SEP 19, 08:49 AM
One thing I read recently just hit home - for those who had/have kids -you know what its like the first month or so, the exhaustion and constant schedules and absolutely sh*tty sleep? all the cleaning up of "bio material" all over? Take that period of time and combine it with the "toddler" stage where they are mobile enough to get stuff EVERYWHERE, and you teach them to do things like wash their hands and put on their shoes and clothes, and they will do random stuff like try to run away or jump off a random high place? If you see a parent with an Autistic kid - They are in that combined stage FOREVER. And they are also coping with all the other "life" stuff - their job(s) and everything else.

And they have the most INTERESTING weekend stories to share...like this one: Friend of mine's sister's 18 year old non-verbal son eloped a few nights ago. got past all the locks and everything. Ended up taking a train 12 stops and then went on the tracks. luckily was found by an MTA worker, whom he bit. so that's a felony. (assaulting an MTA worker) but hopefully the person won't press charges. But they had to sedate him twice. Think the bill so far is like 5 grand for that alone. So now they need to lock him in his room. Door was already replaced because he broke through the hollow one. Yeah, he will likely end up "in a home" or "facility". They've used trackers that alert them if the person leaves, and I'm not sure what happened with their alarm system. its a mess.