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theogre APR 26, 08:32 PM
Just same fires & explosions that still have w/ "Hoverboards," Vape units, phones abuse by owners, knockoff tools and more, battery sets made by DIY, etc.

Even Good brands still have problems but less change of fires/explosions in first place and have recalls when a batch has issues.
Not just Samsung Phone had huge Recall. Dell and others had/have them too just for Laptop Batteries.
It took Months for a big company to find all Dell Recall sets and replace them. Why? Even when you call/visit the user often have 2 or more batteries and don't have all of them to check...
Yet as many laptops over many years most IT people never seen a laptop fire in very big enterprises cause by a battery.

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ls3mach APR 27, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by Australian:

One breathe of lithium smoke and will be in crazy house for life. So burn house or burn brain.




Is this true?

I had to actually look it up. Stop posting things like this. There are billions of lithium batteries in the world and the S7 was catching fire. This type of misinformation is dangerous.

Yes it is dangerous, but jesus man, you acted like 100 things in my house could catch fire and we all die or need to be in an asylum. Truth of it is, fire in and of itself the smoke can kill you, or the fire, or the debris.

I guess all Fieros catch fire in your opinion too.
theogre APR 27, 12:01 PM
You have more danger in most fires from plastics and foams that generate Cyanide and other Poisons when burned.
Most fire deaths, big cause of death is "Smoke Inhalation" containing burnt plastic byproducts that kill in very few minutes to seconds.

If only the LiIon batteries burn, main danger is heat blowing out like torches. But That in turn lights many other things even many "Non-flammable" items. Big problem is Many "Non-flammable" items have Bromine and other things that aren't healthy when cooked off. Example: Many things have FR4 circuit boards... read typical MSDS: Composition/components: Glass fabric: E-glass. Resin matrix: Brominated epoxy resin based on tetrabromobisphenol (TBBA)#TBBP Fire-fighting measures: Extinguishing agents: suitable: any, if possible, don’t use water. Dangerous conflagration gases: depending on the fire conditions, the following may be generated: carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrogen bromide and organic bromine compounds ( https://docs.rs-online.com/...0900766b8030f5cb.pdf ) Many Plastics part or whole thing have Bromine too for same reason.

You could push/throw whatever is burning out but have to make sure nothing, worse no-one, is in the path of the burning thing. Many did so and hurt or Killed kids etc.

Another Example: E-Cars often use Ethylene Glycol coolant in the battery packs and other places. And like Fiero, many have way more then most gas powered vehicles. Any Fumes of EG can Kill You because you breath in and poison you. Plus still have Plastic, Foam, Rubber and more burning same as all other cars. (Fiero uses ~ 14 quarts of coolant mix but most front engine setups get 6-8 quarts.)
ls3mach APR 27, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by theogre:

You have more danger in most fires from plastics and foams that generate Cyanide and other Poisons when burned.
Most fire deaths, big cause of death is "Smoke Inhalation" containing burnt plastic byproducts that kill in very few minutes to seconds.

If only the LiIon batteries burn, main danger is heat blowing out like torches. But That in turn lights many other things even many "Non-flammable" items. Big problem is Many "Non-flammable" items have Bromine and other things that aren't healthy when cooked off. Example: Many things have FR4 circuit boards... read typical MSDS: Composition/components: Glass fabric: E-glass. Resin matrix: Brominated epoxy resin based on tetrabromobisphenol (TBBA)#TBBP Fire-fighting measures: Extinguishing agents: suitable: any, if possible, don’t use water. Dangerous conflagration gases: depending on the fire conditions, the following may be generated: carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrogen bromide and organic bromine compounds ( https://docs.rs-online.com/...0900766b8030f5cb.pdf ) Many Plastics part or whole thing have Bromine too for same reason.

You could push/throw whatever is burning out but have to make sure nothing, worse no-one, is in the path of the burning thing. Many did so and hurt or Killed kids etc.

Another Example: E-Cars often use Ethylene Glycol coolant in the battery packs and other places. And like Fiero, many have way more then most gas powered vehicles. Any Fumes of EG can Kill You because you breath in and poison you. Plus still have Plastic, Foam, Rubber and more burning same as all other cars. (Fiero uses ~ 14 quarts of coolant mix but most front engine setups get 6-8 quarts.)



I have some experience with MSDS and hazmat working around the freight industry. My point was he made an absurd statement as fact and it is very bad information. I don't appreciate people making statements like this when I personally, and all of us, are near probably 1000s of them per day. Misinformation is dangerous. Exposure to anything burning for the most part can be dangerous. As you said, the plastics and the like are gonna do you in fast.

I wasn't trying to sideline the topic, but that statement really rubbed me wrong.