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sourmash FEB 10, 10:01 AM
The USSR was an Allied nation that the USA fostered into an international power.
Things are what they are, not what you were told they are by our government propaganda and media. We intentionally gave the USSR half of Europe, decided by the conference in Feb 1945 in Yalta. We made East Germany.

That VW is based on an Axis developed technology. Choosing to wear a vehicle and maintain with parts made in that nation is wearing the nation that built it (the 944).

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82-T/A [At Work] FEB 10, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

The USSR was an Allied nation that the USA fostered into an international power.
Things are what they are, not what you were told they are by our government propaganda and media. We intentionally gave the USSR half of Europe, decided by the conference in Feb 1945 in Yalta.

That VW is based on an Axis developed technology. Choosing to wear a vehicle and maintain with parts made in that nation is wearing the nation that built it (the 944).





And? None of that applies to what you're saying. Every time you take an elevator with the "Thyssen Krupp" logo, do you tell the other occupants... "No, sorry... Krupp made all the military hardware that fought our allies in WW2, I'm taking the stairs."

Sorry, not buying it. The people who built these cars weren't part of the NAZI regime, nor were they the individuals who supported Communism. Both of these vehicles were built in West Germany ... Westfalia and Stuttgart. The people in both those cities, specifically in 1973 and 1984, were about as pro-American as you could get at the time, and saw what Communism and Socialism was doing to their former half.

I've been to East Germany. I was on a KLM 747 flight that had to make an emergency landing there on my way from Cairo to Skipol. I know how crazy East Germany was back then, even as a kid. Eastern block soldiers escorted us off the plane into an abandoned terminal that had no power or running water. The very things the West Germans wanted nothing to do with.
sourmash FEB 10, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

And? None of that applies to what you're saying. Every time you take an elevator with the "Thyssen Krupp" logo, do you tell the other occupants... "No, sorry... Krupp made all the military hardware that fought our allies in WW2, I'm taking the stairs."



You selected the Porsche and VW instead of the hundreds of other makers offered to you. There is no row of hundreds of different elevators.


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Sorry, not buying it. The people who built these cars weren't part of the NAZI regime, nor were they the individuals who supported Communism. Both of these vehicles were built in West Germany ... Westfalia and Stuttgart. The people in both those cities, specifically in 1973 and 1984, were about as pro-American as you could get at the time, and saw what Communism and Socialism was doing to their former half.


American Allied West Germany and Allied Soviet East Germany, an arrangement made by.mutual agreement in Yalta in Feb 1945.
Communism and socialism forced on them by Eisenhower and the Allies before the war was even won. You have to take all of history, not the propaganda of the 1980s.

Porsche and VW are straight lines back to the NAZI party. Undeniable. The VW was born out of NAZI Germany. That design is a product of the NAZI regime.

Things are just what they are.


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I've been to East Germany. I was on a KLM 747 flight that had to make an emergency landing there on my way from Cairo to Skipol. I know how crazy East Germany was back then, even as a kid. Eastern block soldiers escorted us off the plane into an abandoned terminal that had no power or running water. The very things the West Germans wanted nothing to do with.



Both sides of Germany were under Allied powers. Making the Soviet Union an enemy was extremely lucrative to what Eisenhower said correctly is the Military Industrial Complex.
Things are just what they are.
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 10, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:
You selected the Porsche and VW instead of the hundreds of other makers offered to you.



2015 Ford Edge Titanium
2009 Ford Explorer Sport
2008 Jeep Patriot Limited 4x2
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE/V6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Bus
2002 Ford Explorer Sport
2006 Pontiac Solstice
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 350
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convertible
1984 Porsche 944 5-Speed
1981 Pontiac TransAm WS6
1974 Volkswagen Type-4 412 2dr Wagon
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1997 Pontiac Grand Am GT
1978 Cadillac Biarritz "Convertible"
1976 Chevrolet Camaro LT-350
1997 Pontiac Grand Am SE
1986 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1985 Pontiac Fiero GT
1985 Pontiac Fiero 2m4
1984 Pontiac Fiero 2m4 SE WS6
1982 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1983 Volvo 240 Turbo Wagon
1984 Volvo 240 Turbo Coupe
1984 Toyota Corolla LE Sedan


Hopefully the AXIS allies weren't able to succeed TOO much with the 4 used vehicles I purchased in the 27 years I've been legally allowed to drive.



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Originally posted by sourmash:
There is no row of hundreds of different elevators.



You could definitely choose to take the stairs, or choose to live in a building that uses an OTIS or Schindler.



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Originally posted by sourmash:
Porsche and VW are straight lines back to the NAZI party.



So is the V2 rocket, the stealth bomber, gas cans, and dozens of other inventions.
sourmash FEB 10, 11:30 AM
Edit. The Cadillac Biarritz is a fine looking car. Put some Truespokes on it and its perfect.

You obviously think you have a point about the elevator but it doesn't make any more sense than buying a VW and Porsche then saying 'expletive Germany'. The point I've made is that you dont really feel that way, obviously.
The further point I made is that the Allies gave the other Allies all the East Germans on purpose. It's big business.

But it's progress to see that you agree with me that the VW and Porsche are straight from the NAZI party tech. You made the choice to purchase those specific ones and then said 'expletive Germany'.

I'm still just pointing out the non sequitur.

I guess you're saying you can buy a V2 and a stealth bomber/fighter too? Aren't you just supporting the point that the Allies were just mentally shagging people because they used Operation Paperclip to bring in a bunch of NAZIs and their tech to enrich us?

History is just what it is.

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sourmash FEB 10, 11:40 AM
Also part of our BS history:

Inside Operation Mockingbird — The CIA’s Plan To Infiltrate The Media
By Kara Goldfarb
Published December 4, 2021
Updated January 21, 2022
Operation Mockingbird was an alleged CIA project that recruited journalists to write fake stories promoting government ideas while dispelling communist ones.
“AStudent Group Concedes It Took Funds from C.I.A.”

That was the front page headline of the February 14, 1967, edition of the New York Times. The article was one in a slew of articles published at the time in relation to something called Operation Mockingbird.

What was Operation Mockingbird?

It was an alleged large-scale project undertaken by the CIA beginning in the 1950s in which they recruited American journalists into a propaganda network. The recruited journalists were put on payroll by the CIA and instructed to write fake stories that promoted the views of the intelligence agency. Student cultural organizations and magazines were allegedly funded as fronts for this operation.
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 10, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Edit. The Cadillac Biarritz is a fine looking car. Put some Truespokes on it and its perfect.

You obviously think you have a point about the elevator but it doesn't make any more sense than buying a VW and Porsche then saying 'expletive Germany'. The point I've made is that you dont really feel that way, obviously.
The further point I made is that the Allies gave the other Allies all the East Germans on purpose. It's big business.




I obviously have, because you're addressing it.



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Originally posted by sourmash:

But it's progress to see that you agree with me that the VW and Porsche are straight from the NAZI party tech. You made the choice to purchase those specific ones and then said 'expletive Germany'.

I'm still just pointing out the non sequitur.





This is why I like arguing with you, because you will continue to argue, knowing that you don't have a point, but hoping the rest of us don't realize it. Not trying to be mean, but you seem to believe that the knowledge you have is so learned and rare, that others should be thankful that you've enlightened them. Who doesn't know that the Volkswagen was created by order of Hitler? It's literally called "The People's Car," which screams socialism... and such it was. Anyone that owns a Porsche likely also knows the history of Ferdinand Porsche, the father of the company who based his 356 off of the Beetle, and supported the war effort.

My wife is Jewish... and no, I didn't marry her because I believed I could become part of some super secret Jewish elite that owns and controls the world. I married her because of big boobs, blond hair, and she wore bell bottoms. She loves Volkswagen, and had two of them, and she had no problem with their history. The #1 buyer of Volkswagens, Mercedes, and BMWs in New York and North Miami Beach is probably from Jewish people... I think they ALL know Germany's history and the history of these automakers. It's not a shock to anyone.

Just like my shitty Toyota Corolla that I had (technically, my Fiero was my first car, the Toyota was my brothers which we shared). Do you think the fact that I paid $1,000 to my uncle for it in 1995 contributed to Japan's war effort against Nimitz and McAurther?

You are saying crazy stuff...
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 10, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Edit. The Cadillac Biarritz is a fine looking car. Put some Truespokes on it and its perfect.





It was a piece of **** with rust holes everywhere. My friend found it on a piece of property that he bought in Hialeah. Florida's lax DMV laws allowed us to register and insure it the same day.
I cut the roof off of it and drove it around for a couple of years for fun. It had a dog of a 425 cubic inch V8. I kept it at a friend's house, and eventually he parked it in the backyard of one of his friends house who was totally blind. It got stolen one day, and when we asked him what happened, he said, "I didn't see anything."

Also, I'm not from Southern California, I don't do low-rider wire wheels. My mom is from Argentina, that doesn't make me Central-American/Mexican.







I was really young (22), and I couldn't afford a Sawzall, and didn't know any better at the time anyway.


This is more my speed, an engine I have which just sits on an engine stand:

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sourmash FEB 10, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

This is why I like arguing with you, because you will continue to argue, knowing that you don't have a point, but hoping the rest of us don't realize it. Not trying to be mean, but you seem to believe that the knowledge you have is so learned and rare, that others should be thankful that you've enlightened them. Who doesn't know that the Volkswagen was created by order of Hitler? It's literally called "The People's Car," which screams socialism... and such it was. Anyone that owns a Porsche likely also knows the history of Ferdinand Porsche, the father of the company who based his 356 off of the Beetle, and supported the war effort.

My wife is Jewish... and no, I didn't marry her because I believed I could become part of some super secret Jewish elite that owns and controls the world. I married her because of big boobs, blond hair, and she wore bell bottoms. She loves Volkswagen, and had two of them, and she had no problem with their history. The #1 buyer of Volkswagens, Mercedes, and BMWs in New York and North Miami Beach is probably from Jewish people... I think they ALL know Germany's history and the history of these automakers. It's not a shock to anyone.

Just like my shitty Toyota Corolla that I had (technically, my Fiero was my first car, the Toyota was my brothers which we shared). Do you think the fact that I paid $1,000 to my uncle for it in 1995 contributed to Japan's war effort against Nimitz and McAurther?

You are saying crazy stuff...



By repeating what you're saying, possibly. But I've learned that you don't admit to making misstatements.

We aren't arguing. You aren't "the rest of us". You are only you.

You made a non sequitur statement and I instructed you of how. You followed it with another. I pointed out that too and to you that means you've made some point because I showed how the two aren't vaguely related.

You didn't say 'expletive Japan'. This is another non sequitur.

Regarding who buys German cars you aren't telling me anything new.
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 10, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

By repeating what you're saying, possibly. But I've learned that you don't admit to making misstatements.

We aren't arguing. You aren't "the rest of us". You are only you.

You made a non sequitur statement and I instructed you of how. You followed it with another. I pointed out that too and to you that means you've made some point because I showed how the two aren't vaguely related.

You didn't say 'expletive Japan'. This is another non sequitur.

Regarding who buys German cars you aren't telling me anything new.




Translation = I (Sourmash) still have no point, but I'm going to say some random stuff in hopes that you stop and let me believe I've won this.