Decisions have Consequences (Page 2/9)
MidEngineManiac JAN 25, 09:15 PM
Oh, you mean these guys...

https://twitt er.com/JustLaE...message5024644%2Fpg1

(and THERE is the problem in a nutshell. The left just CANT seem to comprehend the only "show" they are running is their own, and nobody elses.)

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blackrams JAN 25, 09:16 PM
It's clear to me that there are rules associated with this transplant just as there are rules to post on this forum.

Don't want to follow them then you can expect to get banned. In this guy's case, refusing to follow the rules for a transplant will eventually result in his kids growing up without their biological dad. Pretty simple if you ask me. I know, no one asked me.

Rams
randye JAN 25, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


All I can say is what I've said previously, decisions have consequences. In this case, it appears he'd rather die than get vaccinated. Personally, I think the patient is making a huge mistake but, it's his decision.





Just as it is the hospital's decision to deny the man lifesaving medical treatment because he doesn't wish to acquiesce to their demand that he accept what should be a voluntary prophylaxis.

That will doubtless have consequences for them as well.

It sure would be interesting to see the relative weighted risk factor number that the transplant committee put on just his vaccination status vs. all the myriad of other, and potentially more important, risk factors that go into making a transplant committee decision. How did this particular vaccination now become the most important / highest weighted factor to be decided?

Did they also assign a risk number to his chance of myocarditis in his transplanted heart from the vaccination?

I well remember when people warned about "Death Committees" that would deny people required treatment under Obamacare.

Well, Here we are.

Is ventilation for a patient in acute respiratory distress now going to be denied if the patient isn’t vaccinated and refuses to be? Do hospitals just say, “Nope, You have to die. We looked at your recovery risk factors and you don't qualify”?

How many other lifesaving medical treatments and interventions will now be denied to the "unvaccinated"?

Let’s supposed for the sake of discussion that a patient requires surgical intervention for acute cholecystitis or a benign brain tumor. Should hospitals now start condemning those like them to death in the hundreds of thousands each year because they won't accept a vaccination that is nearly the functional equivalent of an annual flu shot? What if a patient has previously recovered from covid and has natural antibody immunity?


This is absolutely the nastiest and greasiest of medical ethics “slippery slopes” and it has every potential now to end very badly for our society.

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blackrams JAN 25, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Oh, you mean these guys...

https://twitt er.com/JustLaE...message5024644%2Fpg1

(and THERE is the problem in a nutshell. The left just CANT seem to comprehend the only "show" they are running is their own, and nobody elses.)




I can see his headstone in my mind now. It reads something like He pickrd his path.
So, I have to assume that if it was you laying in that bed needing a heart, knowing without the vaccination you won't get the new heart, you gonna keep blowing that horn?

All I can say is pick your path. It really doesn't matter to me, I'm not the one who will be raising those kids.

Rams

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MidEngineManiac JAN 25, 09:25 PM
So when some guy dies in combat fighting for freedom and his kids grow up without a father, its sad but the cost of freedom

But it's somehow different when a guy fighting for freedom make a choice with the same potential outcome ?

Aint that a double standard ?

Tyranny is tyranny, freedom is freedom.....and the more and more of this CoviCrap that goes on, the more I am convinced it's nothing more than China's "social credit" system disguised as a scamdemic.

The freaken FLU kills more than covid, but we dont see this crap over flu vaccines every year.
Patrick JAN 25, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Oh, you mean these guys...



I dunno... Have they been on a public forum whining and bItching for the last 15+ years?
blackrams JAN 25, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

So when some guy dies in combat fighting for freedom and his kids grow up without a father, its sad but the cost of freedom

But it's somehow different when a guy fighting for freedom make a choice with the same potential outcome ?

Aint that a double standard ?

Tyranny is tyranny, freedom is freedom.....and the more and more of this CoviCrap that goes on, the more I am convinced it's nothing more than China's "social credit" system disguised as a scamdemic.

The freaken FLU kills more than covid, but we dont see this crap over flu vaccines every year.



Actually, that's a pretty silly comparison. That guy going off to war doesn't know he's going to not come home.
This guy is going to die without a new heart. A heart he won't get without being vaccinated.
IOWs, he's signing his own death sentence. He has the freedom to make that decision and just like all decisions, they have consequences.
He has chosen his path.

Rams

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blackrams JAN 25, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
Just as it is the hospital's decision to deny the man lifesaving medical treatment because he doesn't wish to acquiesce to their demand that he accept what should be a voluntary prophylaxis.

That will doubtless have consequences for them as well.

It sure would interesting to see the relative risk factor number that the transplant committee put on just his vaccination status vs. all the myriad of other, and potentially more important, risk factors that go into making a transplant committee decision. How did this particular vaccination now become the most important / highest weighted factor to be decided?

Did they also assign a risk number to his chance of myocarditis in his transplanted heart from the vaccination?

I well remember when people warned about "Death Committees" that would deny people required treatment under Obamacare.

Well, Here we are.

Is ventilation for a patient in acute respiratory distress now going to be denied if the patient isn’t vaccinated and refuses to be? Do hospitals just say, “Nope, You have to die. We looked at your recovery risk factors and you don't qualify”?

How many other lifesaving medical treatments and interventions will now be denied to the "unvaccinated"?

Let’s supposed for the sake of discussion that a patient requires surgical intervention for acute cholecystitis or a benign brain tumor. Should hospitals now start condemning those like them to death in the hundreds of thousands each year because they won't accept a vaccination that is nearly the functional equivalent of an annual flu shot? What if a patient has previously recovered from covid and has natural antibody immunity?


This is absolutely the nastiest and greasiest of medical ethics “slippery slopes” and it has every potential now to end very badly for our society.




All I can say is, that board has access to all the medical data they want to make such decisions. That greasy slope is part of that freedom to make decisions. He's picked his path.

Rams

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Patrick JAN 25, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

IOWs, he's signing his own death sentence. He has the freedom to make that decision and just like all decisions, they have consequences. He has chosen his path.



And he obviously doesn't give a chit about his wife and kids. But yeah, to some he's still some sort of hero "fighting for freedom". It's more like he's given up.

Take the shot, get the heart... live to fight another day. Seems simple enough.

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randye JAN 25, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


All I can say is, that board has access to all the medical data they want to make such decisions. That greasy slope is part of that freedom to make decisions. He's picked his path.

Rams




I'd say that his path was picked for him by that particular hospital corporation who made their decision.

I have yet to see anything, anywhere, that suggests that something like this is in any way "standard" in hospitals across the country and, as always, patients are free to "shop around".

Which brings up another point; If you want to help encourage a black market in transplant organs and what is known as "medical tourism" that is how you do it.