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| The CDC now admits that 75% of "covid deaths" are not from covid (Page 2/4) |
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Rickady88GT
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JAN 11, 07:11 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
That leaves 25 percent that died with Covid and because of Covid. That's 25 percent of 838,000 (according to NYT) or almost 210,000 such deaths to date, for the United States, since the pandemic was first declared.
How does that "play" (or does it?) in this discussion.
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How does it play? Well, I see it like this, they admit that the numbers were exaggerated, so they just threw out a nice round number. Is 25% the real number, or are we just supposed to believe that too?
Obviously I do not know the true number of deaths from covid and I doubt that the Government does either so I don't expect much from them. But this sure can erode trust.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 01-11-2022).]
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sourmash
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JAN 11, 08:24 AM
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The 'real' number was something like 6%.
Whether it induced pneumonia which raised the number, idk. Nobody will ever know because nothing has been transparent.
The people who took part in the experiments are the easiest in society to con. That was the experiment; a sociology experiment. What they participated in was of no positive value to society nor health.
People who get Omicron have full natural immunity. Symptoms are mild and similar to a cold.
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theBDub
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JAN 11, 11:17 AM
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You are misunderstanding/misrepresenting the statement and report. A quick gut check would prove this wasn't the case.
The actual report.
Relevant section:
| quote | Among 1,228,664 persons who completed primary vaccination during December 2020–October 2021, a total of 2,246 (18.0 per 10,000 vaccinated persons) developed COVID-19 and 189 (1.5 per 10,000) had a severe outcome, including 36 who died (0.3 deaths per 10,000). Risk for severe outcomes was higher among persons who were aged ≥65 years, were immunosuppressed, or had at least one of six other underlying conditions. All persons with severe outcomes had at least one of these risk factors, and 77.8% of those who died had four or more risk factors. Severe COVID-19 outcomes after primary vaccination are rare; however, vaccinated persons who are aged ≥65 years, are immunosuppressed, or have other underlying conditions might be at increased risk.
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For the gut check, just look at the total increase in deaths, not even factoring in COVID-19. If anything, COVID-19 deaths were underreported.[This message has been edited by theBDub (edited 01-11-2022).]
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Fats
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JAN 11, 11:20 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
You are misunderstanding/misrepresenting the statement and report. A quick gut check would prove this wasn't the case.
The actual report.
Relevant section:
For the gut check, just look at the total increase in deaths, not even factoring in COVID-19. If anything, COVID-19 deaths were underreported.
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Hang on, the Libertarian is gonna step up and defend Daddy Government. LOL.
I looked up the total increase in deaths. It's in line with population and hasn't had any major "bumps" since 2013.
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sourmash
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JAN 11, 11:27 AM
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I read it. It says the deaths are over-reported, which is what they've been saying since about this time last year when it was a total.of about 9,000 deaths FROM Covid19.
You'll be fortunate to get Omicron instead of last year's Covid variants. It's similar to a cold and you get immunity to all of them. There will be more variants, and they'll mostly trend toward less serious. Covid had a 99.85% survival rate. It'll be much higher going forward.
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Fats
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JAN 11, 11:28 AM
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This includes to current time so you can't say I'm missing a year.
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theBDub
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JAN 11, 12:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
Hang on, the Libertarian is gonna step up and defend Daddy Government. LOL.
I looked up the total increase in deaths. It's in line with population and hasn't had any major "bumps" since 2013.
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You are using Macrotrends, yes? The one with the disclaimer at the top that reads:
| quote | | NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus. |
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You're looking at projections. Now let's look at reality. I built this for 2020, using CDC data of provisional deaths and their coded reasons. I will have to make some edits to bring in 2021. You can account for population inflation, and compare against other causes of death. In 2020, we had 618K more deaths than would have been expected when comparing against the prior six years and adjusting for population increase. Only 393K were noted as COVID-19 deaths.
| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
Hang on, the Libertarian is gonna step up and defend Daddy Government. LOL.
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What am I defending? I don't agree with mask or vaccine requirements by the government. I just understand the data.[This message has been edited by theBDub (edited 01-11-2022).]
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Fats
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JAN 11, 01:25 PM
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Fats
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JAN 11, 01:31 PM
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I'm sorry man, but you are carrying water for the Government. You are using their numbers, that they just said are bull, that we have been saying for years is bull... But you still defend them.
I get it, everyone is stupider than you are. We're just ignorant and don't know how things really work.
You, being a true Libertarian (you even sign a pledge every year.) understand that the Government would never lie, and only has our best interests at heart. They are totally accurate, and the only source that we should trust. And even when people show you item after item that would prove to any logical person that they have been lying, it's all conspiracy because they are infallible.
I get it. 
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theBDub
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JAN 11, 01:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
I'm sorry man, but you are carrying water for the Government. You are using their numbers, that they just said are bull, that we have been saying for years is bull... But you still defend them.
I get it, everyone is stupider than you are. We're just ignorant and don't know how things really work.
You, being a true Libertarian (you even sign a pledge every year.) understand that the Government would never lie, and only has our best interests at heart. They are totally accurate, and the only source that we should trust. And even when people show you item after item that would prove to any logical person that they have been lying, it's all conspiracy because they are infallible.
I get it.
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You used projections from 2019...
Final death tallies aren't stamped complete for years. But you go back in time and you can see how little they change after the first month or two following the first provisional count. That's why, in my own report, I noted that it's not recommended to use the latest 4 weeks of data, and why I included a filter for included weeks.
If you don't know how the data works and just live off of soundbites from dubious sources, I can see how you'd end up confused. But the data is transparent, and it's available. You can download it yourself.
Me being a Libertarian has nothing to do with any of the above. A government should serve to protect the rights of its citizens, and little else. But just because our current government is wildly overblown, doesn't mean all of the people in it are corrupt. It doesn't mean everything the government produces is a lie. It also doesn't mean it's all truth. But this thread is based on a mischaracterization of a snip of a study, not based on fact. The mischaracterization can be easily disproven, and yet so many fall for it.
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