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fierofool DEC 12, 06:41 PM
Newsom needs to know that the best way "to keep these devastating weapons off the street" is to lock up the criminals that are using them, set bond or bail high, re-equip and re-staff the police departments.
williegoat DEC 12, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by fierofool:

Newsom needs to know that the best way "to keep these devastating weapons off the street" is to lock up the criminals that are using them, set bond or bail high, re-equip and re-staff the police departments.


Now THAT makes sense.
blackrams DEC 12, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by fierofool:

Newsom needs to know that the best way "to keep these devastating weapons off the street" is to lock up the criminals that are using them, set bond or bail high, re-equip and re-staff the police departments.



It seems so obvious, why the majority of Californians don't see that is baffling.

Rams
fierofool DEC 12, 08:06 PM
Rams, I think it's very apparent why they can't see that. They were too stupid to recognize that he needed to be recalled, weren't they?
rinselberg DEC 12, 09:32 PM
The way that California set up its rules for Recall and how that election process works--a long time ago when they made those rules --is way stupider than anything that Gavin Newsom has done.

I don't think that the California state legislature has had time to formulate a new version of the Recall process, but that's something that's got to be fixed.

The way it stood (and I guess still stands) is that Gavin Newsom could have been replaced by a Recall candidate that tallied just 10 percent of the vote, or any small fraction of the vote. Just the most votes among a dozen or really any number of Recall candidates. Even if 49 percent of the voters had voted for Gavin Newsom by voting against the Recall proposition.

Some things are even dumber than Gavin Newsom.
blackrams DEC 12, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't think that the California state legislature has had time to formulate a new version of the Recall process, but that's something that's got to be fixed.




Had time? I'd suggest it isn't a priority. Don't they meet all year long?

Rams
Rickady88GT DEC 12, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The way that California set up its rules for Recall and how that election process works--a long time ago when they made those rules --is way stupider than anything that Gavin Newsom has done.

I don't think that the California state legislature has had time to formulate a new version of the Recall process, but that's something that's got to be fixed.

The way it stood (and I guess still stands) is that Gavin Newsom could have been replaced by a Recall candidate that tallied just 10 percent of the vote, or any small fraction of the vote. Just the most votes among a dozen or really any number of Recall candidates. Even if 49 percent of the voters had voted for Gavin Newsom by voting against the Recall proposition.

Some things are even dumber than Gavin Newsom.



Are you sure about all this? The recall actually take 3 steps to even happen. First enough people need to sign a recall petition. This petition needs to be certified officially after 100's of thousands of signatures. Second the ballot has two options to further the recall attempt, this is a "YES" vote to a recall. The recall vote requires a majority of votes "YES". I do not know the percentage. Then the third part of a recall is selecting a new Governor.
It isn't that stupid or complicated. And it is very rare.
rinselberg DEC 13, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Are you sure about all this? The recall actually take 3 steps to even happen. First enough people need to sign a recall petition. This petition needs to be certified officially after 100's of thousands of signatures. Second the ballot has two options to further the recall attempt, this is a "YES" vote to a recall. The recall vote requires a majority of votes "YES". I do not know the percentage. Then the third part of a recall is selecting a new Governor.
It isn't that stupid or complicated. And it is very rare.


Here's an easy to read summary of how the voting turned out.
https://elections.cdn.sos.c...v/11-sov-summary.pdf

The leader among the replacement candidates was Larry Elder, with 48.4% of the vote.

The second leading replacement candidate garnered less than 10% of the vote.

But if the voting among the replacement candidates had been more evenly split, Larry Elder or one of the others could have become governor with just about any small fraction of the vote, and small in comparison to whatever percentage had voted in favor (effectively) of Gavin Newsom by voting NO on the recall. There were 13 replacement candidates with at least 1% of the vote, and many more with less than 1%.

I think it's an anti-democratic (democratic with a small "d") time bomb waiting to blow up in the California electorate's face. This current formulation for how the recall election works. I know I'm not the only one.

[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 12-13-2021).]

sourmash DEC 13, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Now THAT makes sense.



It sounds racist to BLM and Antifa. The position you have taken is labeled as racist.
rinselberg DEC 13, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Had time? I'd suggest it isn't a priority. Don't they meet all year long?




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LOS ANGELES - California Democrats called for changes to the state's recall process less than a day after Gov. Gavin Newsom decisively beat back a Republican-led effort to oust him from office.

Assemblymember Marc Berman and state Sen. Steve Glazer, both Democrats, announced on Wednesday plans to hold joint, bipartisan hearings as early as October to examine potential modifications to the recall system. They did not outline any specific proposals that will be addressed during those hearings.

"Yesterday's election highlighted the fundamentally undemocratic nature of California's existing recall process," Berman, chairman of the Assembly Committee on Elections, said during the announcement, held over Zoom. "California laws should not allow an elected official to be recalled and replaced by someone else who receives far fewer votes."

Changing California's recall system, which was established in 1911, would require the state Legislature to pass a proposed amendment to the state Constitution with two-thirds majority in the Assembly and the Senate. The proposed amendment would then appear on a statewide ballot.

Berman said he hopes legislation will be introduced sometime early next year and the issue put to voters on the 2022 ballot.

That's almost half of the article.

"After Newsom's [recall] victory, California Democrats seek changes to recall process"
Alicia Victoria Lozano for NBC News; September 15, 2021.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...all-process-n1279281