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cvxjet
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DEC 05, 07:35 PM
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T/A, I basically agree with what you said....It is just so pathetic that the coward shot a man in a wheelchair; Grab him and pull him off of it, or kick the chair over...But shooting a guy (Even with a knife) who is wheelchair-bound is sickening.
And yes, this situation gives ALL cops a bad name- Most cops are trying to do a difficult and dangerous job as best they can- and some make mistakes......But this guy is complete fool and menace- kick him off the force, take away his badge and try him for murder.
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ray b
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DEC 06, 11:45 AM
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who trains/teaches the police RECRUITS
FAILED PIGS FIRED FROM THE FORCE
well who else has police experience ?
and what else are the failed pigs qualified to do ?
the one who have not screwed up BIG TIME are still on the force working
or at least not been caught yet
so the system grooms the screw ups to be the pig teachers
it is closed loop insuring the worse cops train the new police
and only the worst get fired and those screw ups get the teaching positions
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 06, 12:11 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
who trains/teaches the police RECRUITS
FAILED PIGS FIRED FROM THE FORCE
well who else has police experience ?
and what else are the failed pigs qualified to do ?
the one who have not screwed up BIG TIME are still on the force working
or at least not been caught yet
so the system grooms the screw ups to be the pig teachers
it is closed loop insuring the worse cops train the new police
and only the worst get fired and those screw ups get the teaching positions |
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This is inaccurate at best and an emotional explosion of bigoted, inflammatory hate speech on its face.
Cliff has attempted to clean this forum of such arguments and you clearly have no problems attacking forum members, calling them "pigs" worthless and corrupt. I am happy to say you are wrong. MANY very well disciplined, Professional and trained Officers pass down their training and experience to new recruits who in succession go on to serve bravely and professionally in the public without controversy or corruption......or "screw-ups".
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2.5
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DEC 06, 12:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
That (EX) cop is a moron.......If you really thought the situation warranted using a gun, shoot him in the leg or arm.....But that many shots is so far out there. He should be charged with murder, plain and simple.
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Some input:
The gun can only be used when there is a deadly threat.
A cop talks about how they are trained to shoot.
Here is a trainer talking about it in self defense.
But yes he should be charged with murder.
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sourmash
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DEC 06, 12:28 PM
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Mid-sized forces and up get trained by Israeli personnel or Israeli contractors, often times in Israel. Smaller forces get that influence through trickle down. Israel is a hyper-nationalist country with immense political power, which we could stand to achieve more of here in America. However, our police forces are trained to treat us like Palestinians.
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 06, 12:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
But yes he should be charged with murder. |
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Should he? I am not saying he should or shouldn't, just asking if the evidence will support the charge?
The risk in over charging a crime is that a jury can find the defendant innocent simply because the actions and circumstances do not fit the limits or definition of "murder". It doesn't matter if the people feel or believe that it was murder,
based on what information is released by the press,, what matters is the evidence in Court. One high profile case is Travon Martin and Zimmerman. People had a feeling that something wasn't right about it, but the Jury concluded that murder was not a justified charge for what had happened.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 12-07-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 06, 12:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Mid-sized forces and up get trained by Israeli personnel or Israeli contractors, often times in Israel. Smaller forces get that influence through trickle down. Israel is a hyper-nationalist country with immense political power, which we could stand to achieve more of here in America. However, our police forces are trained to treat us like Palestinians. |
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I disagree. America is America, not Israel so there is no nexus in your analogy.
Second, "our Police forces" do not treat us anything like your analogy, they just do their job. The Police do not write Laws, they are charged with enforcement of Laws that sometimes they even disagree with themselves.
A victim mentality is a contagious pandemic to which the vaccine is common sense. Some people choose to vaccinate and some choose not to.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 12-06-2021).]
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ray b
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DEC 07, 09:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
This is inaccurate at best and an emotional explosion of bigoted, inflammatory hate speech on its face.
Cliff has attempted to clean this forum of such arguments and you clearly have no problems attacking forum members, calling them "pigs" worthless and corrupt. I am happy to say you are wrong. MANY very well disciplined, Professional and trained Officers pass down their training and experience to new recruits who in succession go on to serve bravely and professionally in the public without controversy or corruption......or "screw-ups". |
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you are quick to take offense
but as far as I know the cop who shot the guy in the wheelchair is NOT member here
and yes cops who shoot people in the back earned their hate by their actions
and also earned the title of pig
the was a long story in a local paper years ago
that said fired cops were the police academy instructors
most were fired for good reasons like excessive force lies or theft
there is also the bluewall of silence problem
good cops KNOW who the bad ones are but do not report them
that needs to change
I am guessing you are a cop
you need to understand there are PIGS like this shooter
and they need to be off the force
pretending they do not exist is a problem
one you are NOT helping
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sourmash
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DEC 07, 11:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I disagree. America is America, not Israel so there is no nexus in your analogy.
Second, "our Police forces" do not treat us anything like your analogy, they just do their job. The Police do not write Laws, they are charged with enforcement of Laws that sometimes they even disagree with themselves.
A victim mentality is a contagious pandemic to which the vaccine is common sense. Some people choose to vaccinate and some choose not to.
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You're in denial of actuality. Quote where I said America is like Israel. Read it again. Maybe you aren't saying that. It's clear what I said, though. It's provable what I said. Israel is hyper-nationalist we are open borders now for illegal invasion on a federal.level. israel wouldn't be that stupid. We should seal our border like Israel does.
Our mid-sized and up police forces take trips to Israel for training and/or from contractors from there. Provable. Been reading about it for over a decade.
Our intelligence agencies openly say White domestic terror is the greatest threat to America. Not sure why you aren't hearing them. They said parents complaining to school boards should be I investigated as potential terrorists. But Antifa is just an ideology. I can't make you listen, but I can't NOT listen myself.
Anericans opposing the federal open borders, voting, covering child rape in schools, crt, etc., are being targeted[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 12-07-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 07, 06:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
you are quick to take offense
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My timing is spot on this one. I understood you clearly and you are wrong.
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but as far as I know the cop who shot the guy in the wheelchair is NOT member here
and yes cops who shoot people in the back earned their hate by their actions
and also earned the title of pig
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If this Officer broke the Law, he will be held accountable, and rightfully so. I totally support weeding out bad eggs. The bad eggs are not the system, they are individuals within the system that people focus on and assume every other employee is the same. Like I said, a mindset like that is bigoted and just as ridiculous as saying all black people are criminals.
All that being said,...does anyone get held accountable for leaks lies and blatantl misinformation and twisting the truth.....NO they don't. The public has become accustomed to trials and convictions outside the Courtroom by social media and gossip without even having all the facts.
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the was a long story in a local paper years ago
that said fired cops were the police academy instructors
most were fired for good reasons like excessive force lies or theft
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I don't doubt you saw such a story, I doubt it's credibility and accuracy.
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there is also the bluewall of silence problem
good cops KNOW who the bad ones are but do not report them
that needs to change
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People on the outside spreading rumors and lies doesn't help at all.
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I am guessing you are a cop
you need to understand there are PIGS like this shooter
and they need to be off the force
pretending they do not exist is a problem
one you are NOT helping |
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What I understand is that pigs lie about Police. Common sense says EVERY type of job in existence has bad eggs working within it. It is a human nature problem that isn't only within Law Enforcement. How many bad eggs have you turned in? Are you a part of the problem?
I also understand that all of the facts have not come out yet. I understand that the system is working on this case and if he has broken the Law he will be punished. I understand he does not work for the department anymore. What more is there to be done? Where is the coverup?
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