Oxford Michigan School Shooting (Page 2/4)
82-T/A [At Work] DEC 01, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:


I have no idea WTF happened to this world.

late 70's/early80 we all had guns in our cars at school to go hunting when we cut class...er....um...uhhh..."had a spare" on the schedule. Nobody got shot except for a few rabbits....dirt hills, blades of grass....the odd moose up north but those are more fun to punch and run

Late 80's I had no problem driving through Oakland to visit friends...white guy in a black 67 Mustang coupe, 1911 in the glove box, but there was never a reason to need it.

Try that **** today, and things wont end well.




I went to high school in the mid 1990s, in the DC suburbs of Northern Virginia. It was a relatively wealthy area, and it was a great school. There were the usual kids with Camaros and Firebirds (that were new) and those who's parents bought them BMWs. But there were also kids with pickup trucks who had gun-racks in the back, and they usually had a hunting rifle, or even sometimes a shotgun in the back window. We never thought anything of it. To us, the gun was like someone owning a hammer. You can kill someone with both, but that's not really the goal. We just knew we had to be careful with them, just as you would a bow and arrow when doing archery at the YMCA.

I don't know when the switch was flipped, but I guarantee that if any student drove such a pickup with a gun rack in the back window, he/she would probably be expelled and have the police called immediately, with the school going into lock-down.
Fats DEC 01, 05:41 PM
I saw some of the shooting stuff on TikTok earlier. Spooky stuff.

blackrams DEC 02, 07:08 PM
Make that 4 dead from this.

Rams

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jmbishop DEC 02, 08:12 PM
Allegedly they are getting copy cat threats, they've closed 60 schools in the area.
williegoat DEC 03, 12:47 PM
The parents of the killer have been charged with manslaughter.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12...rents-oxford-charged

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A store employee told authorities that Crumbley's son was with him at the time of the purchase, Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald said at a press conference Friday, who cited multiple social media posts by Ethan Crumbley and his parents afterward.

"While the shooter was the one who entered the high school and pulled the trigger, there are other individuals who contributed to the events of November 30, and it's my intention to hold them accountable as well," McDonald said.

"Gun ownership is a right. And with that right comes great responsibility," McDonald said.


My first impression is that this is reasonable. Of course, I don't know all of the details yet.
Fats DEC 03, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The parents of the killer have been charged with manslaughter.



I'm all for putting him away for the rest of his life. It's one of the instances where I would be glad my tax dollars are keeping him alive and not just letting his suffering end. I'm also for holding the parents responsible to some degree, but I wonder if manslaughter is the right charge. They seem (at least according to the article) like not great parents. My viewpoint is a little skewed because when I was that age, most of my friends had guns, and several had pistols. But back then it wasn't uncommon to go on break at school and check out new guns other kids had brought.

I am not for charging him with terrorism. You do that and every crime involving violence could also be called terrorism. It's a slippery slope that I don't like. Lock him up, toss the key away and make sure he stays alive to a very old age. There is enough there with Murder to put him away.

Jake_Dragon DEC 03, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The parents of the killer have been charged with manslaughter.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12...rents-oxford-charged
My first impression is that this is reasonable. Of course, I don't know all of the details yet.



Good!! Its time to hold people responsible for the little shits they are bringing up. I hope it continues. This is not a gun issue, this is a parent issue.
jmbishop DEC 03, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fats:
I am not for charging him with terrorism. You do that and every crime involving violence could also be called terrorism. It's a slippery slope that I don't like. Lock him up, toss the key away and make sure he stays alive to a very old age. There is enough there with Murder to put him away.



I agree, I looked up Michigan's legal definition of terrorism and it seemed too vague. I think the bigger risk of charging him with terrorism is that it's a charge that may be used to give him a life sentence but if he's overcharged and not convicted then he may get a lesser sentence. I didn't look at all of the charges and all of the potential sentences but I know they were saying overall it looked like he could face a life sentence and there were many charges.
Wichita DEC 03, 03:40 PM
Parents were charged with manslaughter, and now are on the run.

A manhunt..... (walk that back, because it is gender insensitive) ..... pursuit of the 'raiser of terrorist' couple has begin and may end badly for them if they don't turn themselves in.
williegoat DEC 03, 03:52 PM
OK, now here is the abstract question: Did the parents play a bigger role in the killings than Alec Baldwin?

The parents were negligent, but Baldwin actually pulled the trigger.

In both cases, the legal consequences will depend on who was killed and who did the killing, rather than on what actually happened.