Columbus Day? Why does he get credit? (Page 2/7) williegoat OCT 11, 02:17 PM quote Originally posted by sourmash: Who? Although your lack of education is not my responsibility, I am going to help you out this time, although you really need to learn how to look things up for yourself instead of bothering the adults. I mentioned two two entities in your quoted text: The Sinagua people: and Lief Ericson: sourmash OCT 11, 02:28 PM quote Originally posted by williegoat: Although your lack of education is not my responsibility, I am going to help you out this time, although you really need to learn how to look things up for yourself You know why I asked your opinion, because of the real possibility you're engaging in some whacko conspiracy theory. Jake_Dragon OCT 11, 02:34 PM He discovered it for the people that paid for his voyage. Much like I discovered the mall. It's all in the money trail. quote In 1484 Columbus began seeking support for an Atlantic crossing from King John II of Portugal but was denied aid. (Some conspiracy theorists have alleged that Columbus made a secret pact with the monarch, but there is no evidence of this.) By 1486 Columbus was firmly in Spain, asking for patronage from King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. After at least two rejections, he at last obtained royal support in January 1492. This was achieved chiefly through the interventions of the Spanish treasurer, Luis de Santángel, and of the Franciscan friars of La Rábida, near Huelva, with whom Columbus had stayed in the summer of 1491. Juan Pérez of La Rábida had been one of the queen’s confessors and perhaps procured him the crucial audience. Just like everything else history is dumbed down and shortened because mouth breathers can't stay focused long enough. Columbus didn't discover America as there were people living here. But he did discover America for those that sponsored him. While he was not the ideal human and under different circumstances would have lead an uneventful life, he did sail across the ocean and discovered land that had previously not been documented by his benefactors. So you can argue that there were others but they didn't keep very good records or none at all. I am sure those Vikings that came to America were saints just trying to bring the word of Odin to a new land. williegoat OCT 11, 02:39 PM quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: He discovered it for the people that paid for his voyage. Much like I discovered the mall. It's all in the money trail. Just like everything else history is dumbed down and shortened because mouth breathers can't stay focused long enough. Columbus didn't discover America as there were people living here. But he did discover America for those that sponsored him. While he was not the ideal human and under different circumstances would have lead an uneventful life, he did sail across the ocean and discovered land that had previously not been documented by his benefactors. So you can argue that there were others but they didn't keep very good records or none at all. I am sure those Vikings that came to America were saints just trying to bring the word of Odin to a new land. Yeah, I just recently discovered that Elvira is a lesbian, although she apparently knew it for 20 years. sourmash OCT 11, 03:03 PM Are you one who believes Vikings of that day made it to the Southwestern parts of this land? olejoedad OCT 11, 03:29 PM quote Originally posted by williegoat: Does anyone remember the work of Thor Heyerdahl? Didn't he invent the KonTikiTorch? williegoat OCT 11, 03:36 PM quote Originally posted by sourmash: Are you one who believes Vikings of that day made it to the Southwestern parts of this land? Yeah, and we kicked their ass. sourmash OCT 11, 03:43 PM You do, don't you? williegoat OCT 11, 03:45 PM quote Originally posted by sourmash: You do, don't you? You really need to get out more. sourmash OCT 11, 03:56 PM But you won't answer the question asked. Why not? Vikings of that somewhat ancient era, did they make it to or settle in the Soutwest of North America.