CV-19 PILL ANTI-VIRAL FROM Merck IN TESTING (Page 2/5)
blackrams OCT 02, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

If it works as predicted by the trials, it will be a real game changer.
Hopefully it will tho I already see some on social media claiming the process it uses to force the virus to make so many 'mistakes' is going to cause a supervirus of some kind even worse than the Delta variant.

I have also seen comments on other boards claiming the Merck capsule contains ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. I've seen zero evidence to support such a claim.




Don,
What I have found is those totally anti-vax will use any source without any science behind it (or some form of science or numbers rarely accurate) to support their side of the discussion regardless of how wild the claim is. Remember the magnet thing. The vast majority have been proven wrong and way out there but, desperate people seek desperate answers. The same thing will apply to this "pill" if it is approved.

Some say those who were vaccinated did so out of fear of the virus, others say those who refuse to get the vaccinations are running in fear of the vaccinations.
Me, don't know, don't care. I got the vaccine long before anyone here and am glad I did. Be safe out there.

Rams

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MidEngineManiac OCT 02, 01:18 PM
for most of the "no-vax" crowd that I know, it REALLY has little to do with the actual virus or vaccine anymore, both are in sufficient circulation to do any damage they are going to. It has become a battle of will over individual rights and freedoms. It's now pretty much 90+% political.
Jake_Dragon OCT 02, 01:53 PM
What about the people that are anti-vax but still got the vaccine? Its never black and white.

We have no idea what long term effects this will have.
I don't have to worry as long term is not something I have to worry about anymore. But my niece and her 3 kids will have to deal with it. I worry about the world they will have to grow up in.
In the short term I hope treatment continues to be developed and that science catches up with the politicians.

Above all else I would like to see the world stand up and point the ****ing finger at the bastards that started this. Its never going to happen, just like so many times in the past.
Follow the money and who is in power.
MidEngineManiac OCT 02, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

What about the people that are anti-vax but still got the vaccine? Its never black and white.

We have no idea what long term effects this will have.
I don't have to worry as long term is not something I have to worry about anymore. But my niece and her 3 kids will have to deal with it. I worry about the world they will have to grow up in.
In the short term I hope treatment continues to be developed and that science catches up with the politicians.

Above all else I would like to see the world stand up and point the ****ing finger at the bastards that started this. Its never going to happen, just like so many times in the past.
Follow the money and who is in power.



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rinselberg OCT 02, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

What about the people that are anti-vax but still got the vaccine? Its never black and white.

We have no idea what long term effects this will have.
I don't have to worry as long term is not something I have to worry about anymore. But my niece and her 3 kids will have to deal with it. I worry about the world they will have to grow up in.
In the short term I hope treatment continues to be developed and that science catches up with the politicians.

Above all else I would like to see the world stand up and point the ****ing finger at the bastards that started this. Its never going to happen, just like so many times in the past.
Follow the money and who is in power.


I have a newly published "read" that I recommend, for anyone who is trying to figure out exactly who the "bastards" were.

"Column: New evidence undermines the COVID lab-leak theory — but the press keeps pushing it"
Michael Hiltzik (business columnist) for the Los Angeles Times; September 28, 2021.
https://www.latimes.com/bus...leak-as-covid-source

It starts with this columnist for the Los Angeles Times focusing a jaundiced eye (so to speak) on CNN, the Intercept and the Atlantic.

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When it comes to the pandemic, pseudoscience has outweighed real science at almost every turn. One of the best examples of that is the unsupported assertion that the virus causing COVID-19 escaped from a Chinese laboratory.

Despite mounting evidence that the virus reached humans through natural pathways — from infected animals such as bats — the lab-leak hypothesis recently jumped back into the news, thanks to CNN, the investigative news site the Intercept, and the Atlantic.

All treat the idea that the virus escaped from a lab credulously. They downplay or entirely ignore the latest scientific findings that support the theory that the virus’ origin can be found in the animal kingdom — the view accepted by a preponderance of experts in virology.


An important passage:

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The question of the origin of COVID-19 isn’t of merely academic interest. The answer could guide the world’s preparation for future pandemics; if the virus emerged from a laboratory, then improving lab safety measures will be prioritized. If scientific opinion continues to coalesce around animal-to-human transmission, that will underscore the importance of regulating contact between humans and wildlife.

To put it another way, if we focus on the wrong answer, the right measures won’t be taken. In a real sense, humankind’s future depends on not being distracted by an unsupported, politically motivated claim about Chinese labs.


Here's how it ends:

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Here’s the true state of the discussion. There is no evidence that the virus leaked from the Wuhan laboratory or any other lab. There is no evidence that the Wuhan lab was working with a bat virus that had anything but a very distant resemblance to SARS-CoV-2. Viruses that resemble it much more closely have been found in natural settings a thousand miles from Wuhan, as the crow, or bat, flies.

Evidence that artificial manipulation of a virus gave rise to SARS-CoV-2 has faded, as scientists find more evidence that features of SARS-CoV-2 thought to be unnatural occur in nature. Meanwhile, evidence for zoonotic transmission is constantly accumulating. No one who reports on the issue without acknowledging these two trends should be trusted.


And this, for good measure:

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The latest study, if verified, would mean that the scenario of a researcher accidentally being infected in a lab, and then spreading the virus to the population at large, would have had to happen twice, says [Robert Garry, a virologist at Tulane University]. It’s much more likely that the pandemic had its origins in the wildlife trade, he says.

"Did the coronavirus jump from animals to people twice?"
Smriti Mallapaty for Nature; September 16, 2021.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02519-1

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blackrams OCT 02, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

We have no idea what long term effects this will have.



Jake, you're correct, we don't know the long term effects of the Vaccine(s) and, we also don't know all the long term effects of actually getting the virus.
All I can say is pick your path.

Rams
rinselberg OCT 02, 09:19 PM
If anyone wants to look at something reassuring and recently published about the potential for long-term effects from the Covid vaccines, this one has a "visual" at the very top.

"Speaking of Science: Should we worry about long-term side effects from the Covid-19 vaccines?"
Hannah Margolis for Elko Daily Free Press; September 10, 2021.
https://elkodaily.com/lifes...9e-16be0efc27dc.html

This is similar to another article that I posted on the forum some days ago, in one of the (many) forum threads where Covid and the vaccines were front and center.

I liked that other article better, but it be something of a chore for me to find it again.

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sourmash OCT 02, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Don,
What I have found is those totally anti-vax will use any source without any science behind it (or some form of science or numbers rarely accurate) to support their side of the discussion regardless of how wild the claim is. Remember the magnet thing. The vast majority have been proven wrong and way out there but, desperate people seek desperate answers. The same thing will apply to this "pill" if it is approved.

Some say those who were vaccinated did so out of fear of the virus, others say those who refuse to get the vaccinations are running in fear of the vaccinations.
Me, don't know, don't care. I got the vaccine long before anyone here and am glad I did. Be safe out there.Rams



And we know that's a bunch of crap. Everybody knows covid has a 99.985% survival rate. That's the stat that matters.
sourmash OCT 02, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

What about the people that are anti-vax but still got the vaccine? Its never black and white.

We have no idea what long term effects this will have.
I don't have to worry as long term is not something I have to worry about anymore. But my niece and her 3 kids will have to deal with it. I worry about the world they will have to grow up in.
In the short term I hope treatment continues to be developed and that science catches up with the politicians.

Above all else I would like to see the world stand up and point the ****ing finger at the bastards that started this. Its never going to happen, just like so many times in the past.
Follow the money and who is in power.



I think blackrams is under the delusion that we don't know the Fauci-man paid the Wuhan lab to complete gain of function disease development and lied to Congress that he didn't.

You take this chit injection and you're doing what these scumbags intended all along. My SEE AND SAY knows what the sheep says.

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rinselberg OCT 02, 10:00 PM
I give no credence whatsoever to the preceding assertion (now the assertion that precedes the immediately preceding assertion) from sourmash.


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The claim that COVID-19 has a "survival rate" of 99.996% is an incorrect and misleading [and falsely reassuring] representation of the virus’s impact.

AAP (Australian Associated Press); September 7, 2021.
https://www.aap.com.au/long...s-overdue-to-expire/

Asserting that the survival rate is 99.996% (or 99.995%, as sourmash put it) is a serious underestimation of the potential negative effects of becoming infected by the Covid virus.

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