Banning nurses for your health. Nat Guard will save NYers. (Page 2/8)
sourmash SEP 27, 05:17 PM
I'm pretty positive the injected are spreading more than the uninjected.

I'm positive that people aren't dying from covid as much as said and that they are dying from life-style choices and that covid helped.

I'm positive the injections are killing people and causing permanent health injuries.

People won't accept the truth when becomes commonly accepted knowledge.
IMSA GT SEP 27, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:


"I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to each other,” Hochul told congregants at the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn.

“Jesus taught us to love one another and how do you show that love but to care about each other enough to say, please get the vaccine because I love you and I want you to live.”





This reminds me of a piece of history called Jonestown.
Rickady88GT SEP 27, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People"




This is EXACTLY the type of panic everyone, the sky is falling garbage that causes people to say" screw off, I ain't taking a vaccine and now you won't force me either"

Rinselberg, it is simple, if people do not have covid, they are not spreading it. End of story. When an unvaccinated person has symptoms they know. And at that point they need to be responsible. When unvaccinated people get covid, they get very mild symptoms and are more likely to keep going on with normal life. That makes the vaccinated the spreaders. When unvaccinated people do get it, they will develop a stronger immunity to it than a vaccine.
Keep trying to scare people and wonder why they won't comply. I don't wonder why, I TOTALLY understand why people are adamant about NOT taking it. FEARMONGERING.
sourmash SEP 27, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:
This reminds me of a piece of history called Jonestown.



And there was nothing except rhetoric that you wanted to offer?
rinselberg SEP 27, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
When an unvaccinated person has symptoms they know.


"Asymptomatic transmission" was the phrase that electrified the world during 2Q 2020, when doctors and researchers realized that this is what made the Covid virus able to spread its contagion more rapidly than most of the other well known respiratory pathogens.

An unvaccinated person who becomes infected is capable of spreading the contagion before they have symptoms.

So also, a vaccinated person with a "break through" infection.

It's just my opinion, but I think an unvaccinated person is more of an asymptomatic transmission threat than a vaccinated person, because of viral loading. It's the newly infected and unvaccinated person that is likely to have more viroids or viruses in their body, vs. a vaccinated person who has just caught a breakthrough infection. Both will be asymptomatic, at least for some incubation period measured in days, but I will place my bet on the unvaccinated person being the greater contagion threat, in terms of the asymptomatic transmission vector.

Just sayin' . . . I don't think that Rick is on any firmer ground here (so to speak) than I am.

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sourmash SEP 27, 06:39 PM
Would anyone here really value that opinion?

The establishment has just lying continually since Spring of last year.

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rinselberg SEP 27, 07:10 PM
"The virus is the boss."
~ Austan Goolsbee

‘The Virus Is the Boss’: Ex-Obama Economic Adviser Doubts Trump Goal of Reopening Economy by May
Reed Richardson for MEDIAite; April 10th, 2020.

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Former Obama economic adviser Austan Goolsbee threw cold water on the growing White House narrative that the nationwide lockdown could end in just a few weeks, pointing out that aspirational economic timelines won’t survive against a public health crisis.

Goolsbee appeared on MSNBC’s 11th Hour, where host Brian Williams alluded to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s comments from earlier in the day, where the Trump administration official offered an optimistic take about a graduated reopening the economy in the next few weeks. Mnuchin told CNBC’s Jim Cramer that Trump could relax social distancing guidelines and encourage commerce to return as soon as early May, if the president “feels comfortable with the medical issues.”

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“The virus is the boss, Donald Trump is not the boss,” Goolsbee said, echoing comments by Trumps’ own infectious diseases expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci who on Thursday specificailly warned against pre-emptively relaxing the aggressive shelter-in-place decrees that have significantly lowered the projected death toll from the virus. “You have to slow the spread of that virus before you can do anything in economics. That’s the number-one rule of pandemic economics.”

Watch the video above, via MSNBC.


https://www.mediaite.com/ne...ning-economy-by-may/

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Rickady88GT SEP 27, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"Asymptomatic transmission" was the phrase that electrified the world during 2Q 2020, when doctors and researchers realized that this is what made the Covid virus able to spread its contagion more rapidly than most of the other well known respiratory pathogens.


Let's brake this down.
At the beginning we thought simple cloth masks helped and that it was spread by surface contact. The experts were VERY wrong. And because of this blunder, it spread while people followed the experts advice.
At the beginning the Government was saying that 6 feet distance was the rule, turns out MANY factors dismissed this rule, wind speed, viral load, wind direction, indoors or out doors. So at the beginning, the spread is as it is now, mainly airborne and contagious. Do you disagree?


So at the beginning the researchers were wrong on several "discoveries".
The "asymptomatic" applies to both vaxed and unvaxed. Mutepoint.

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An unvaccinated person who becomes infected is capable of spreading the contagion before they have symptoms.

So also, a vaccinated person with a "break through" infection.


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So you agree they both spread it.


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It's just my opinion, but I think an unvaccinated person is more of an asymptomatic transmission threat than a vaccinated person, because of viral loading. It's the newly infected and unvaccinated person that is likely to have more viroids or viruses in their body, vs. a vaccinated person who has just caught a breakthrough infection. Both will be asymptomatic, at least for some incubation period measured in days, but I will place my bet on the unvaccinated person being the greater contagion threat, in terms of the asymptomatic transmission vector.


I won't argue this point, it makes sense. Viral load is a major point of both transmission and contractions. Covid isn't as simple as some may think. How much viral load a person is subjected to at the point of contracting it, is a fact in how serious the infection can become. So conversely, if a person is shedding very low numbers of virus, they have less chances of spreading it to someone else. This is the simple part, but what combination of viral load and weakened immunity/predisposition does it take to become an infection? How about supplements? Do they play a role......not as simple as a one size fits all.

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Just sayin' . . . I don't think that Rick is on any firmer ground here (so to speak) than I am.




As long as we are voicing opinions and actually answering questions we are on the same ground. You have an opinion and so do I. Same, same.

Do I think your opinions are wrong? Yes sometimes I do. But mostly you don't post your opinions, you post op-eds from discredited sources. Like this response for example, how much of it is your words? I disagree with some of the points made, but not all.
williegoat SEP 27, 08:05 PM
Banning nurses for your health?

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gtjoe SEP 27, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
It's just my opinion, but I think an unvaccinated person is more of an asymptomatic transmission threat than a vaccinated person, because of viral loading. It's the newly infected and unvaccinated person that is likely to have more viroids or viruses in their body, vs. a vaccinated person who has just caught a breakthrough infection. Both will be asymptomatic, at least for some incubation period measured in days, but I will place my bet on the unvaccinated person being the greater contagion threat, in terms of the asymptomatic transmission vector.



instead of just thinking (and listening to the scaremongering) maybe you should do a little more searching before forming this opinion.
this is from July, if you dig deeper you will find more definitive stuff, as there is more data supporting this now

"Individuals who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus but become infected could harbor just as much virus as infected, unvaccinated people, according to a study published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."


https://www.usnews.com/news...sk-guidance-reversal

This is the reason that the CDC reversed course on masks for the Vaccinated, their data showed that being vaccinated doesn't make you less likely to spread if you get infected. Of course how much thats affecting things is kinda hard to judge since the CDC decided not to track breakthrough cases that have mild symptoms. And im sure a good number of vaccinated people with mild symptoms never get tested, because they think they are protected.

on another note there is a study of a prison outbreak where 93% of the unvaccinated were infected and 70% of the fully vaccinated were infected. Small sample size in the scheme of things, but interesting nonetheless. (85% of prisoners were fully vaccinated)
https://www.businessinsider...d-outbreak-19-2021-9