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Rickady88GT SEP 16, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

You're way out in the weeds grasping at straws now.
Why, would congress tell NASA to defend Islam?
NASA is not an active part of the dept of defense, NASA has no armed rockets, and does nothing other than providing launch for space exploration, private and DoD satellites. When NASA launches a private company satellite, payment goes to Dept of Treasury.
NASA doesn't build rockets and certainly not for the armed forces. Private companies do, funded by congress. The early space rockets were all derivitaves of USAF and US Army rockets. Redstone, Navahoe, Atlas Jupiter etc came from US Army Ballistic Missile Agency and it's programs.
The closest NASA ever came to having an armament on a rocket was Al Shepard's 6 iron golf club and ball.




Maybe obama rings a bell?
I am perfectly fine with NASA building military equipment and related technology.
But generally speaking, NASA is thought of as space exploration. At least how I understand them.

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sourmash SEP 16, 09:53 AM
Islam? People really bought that one. Islam doesnt run the central banks, private banking, media, education, etc.. People are told not to wake up and not use actual perception . Islam is an annoyance. nuisance. Islam is akin to minority crime in South Chicago.
rinselberg SEP 16, 11:30 AM
During the Obama administration, if memory serves me, there was a directive that was executed for NASA to put a public relations "spotlight" on U.S. collaboration with some of the Muslim-majority nations, in terms of cooperative efforts in space. I guess that NASA was directed to go out of its way to have some (more) of that. I never saw it as any kind of big deal, or anything that changed what NASA was doing in any radical or detrimental way.

Maybe part of it was playing up the role of young people from Muslim immigrant families to the U.S. Students. NASA interns. (Remember "Clock Boy"..?)

The U.S. had a Muslim astronaut on one of the Space Shuttle missions in 1985, during the presidential administration of Ronald Reagan, long before President Obama. Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, a Saudi prince.

"Muslims in Outer Space"
Harvard Divinity School, Religion and Public Life; 2018.
https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu.../muslims-outer-space

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maryjane SEP 16, 01:12 PM
'On This Day in Space Sept 16, 1949'..
Albert III, a long tailed macau monkey died when his V2 rocket exploded about 35,000 ft up above White Sands N.M.. Al3 was the 3rd monkey in a row to die in a US rocket mishap, (monkey see-monkey do?) the 1st one having suffocating and at least one other dying when the capsule sat in the hot New Mexico sun for hours while the fledgling US Army space agency tried to find it. The others died because of parachute failures caused 'hard landings' either in N.M. or into the Atlantic Ocean after Cape Canaveral was established.
sourmash SEP 16, 05:38 PM
Would parts of being in space for 3 days get old quickly? Think about being in a confined space and weightless, or nearly, for 3 days 'going' in a bag.
Rickady88GT SEP 16, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Islam? People really bought that one. Islam doesnt run the central banks, private banking, media, education, etc.. People are told not to wake up and not use actual perception . Islam is an annoyance. nuisance. Islam is akin to minority crime in South Chicago.



I have no idea what you are talking about.
Rickady88GT SEP 16, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I don't think NASA is a waste of $$. They do what congress authorizes and funds and too often congress mandates which contractors NASA has to use (Boeing and Martin for instance) and much of that is because of what certain congress members insist on for their home districts. SLS is a prime example. When the shuttle program ended some congress members insisted the next big project be built using some of the same parts and plants the shuttle program used in order to save jobs in those districts. That project is the behind schedule over budget in question Space Launch System. Europa Clipper is one of the congressional mandated parts of the space program that was to be launched by SLS but that finally went away and it will be launched by Falcon Heavy instead, since gawd only knows when Boeing and the rest of the SLS contractors will get their act together.


NASA got caught with their pants down because they are so arrogant to think they will never have competition from the private market.
IF, NASA had been doing their job, they would have stayed steps ahead of the capitalists.
No I don't think that NASA should be chartering joy rides to space, but the capitalists have caught up and will soon over take any superiority that NASA exclusively enjoyed.
randye SEP 16, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

NASA got caught with their pants down because they are so arrogant to think they will never have competition from the private market.
IF, NASA had been doing their job, they would have stayed steps ahead of the capitalists.
No I don't think that NASA should be chartering joy rides to space, but the capitalists have caught up and will soon over take any superiority that NASA exclusively enjoyed.




When / IF these private space ventures have their own launch facilities instead of leasing NASA / USAF facilities at Cape Canaveral and when / IF these private space ventures don't have to request the FAA to clear airspace for their launches and when / IF these private space ventures have their own global radar and telemetry tracking capabilities instead of leasing them from NASA / USAF, get back to us....

The point is that there is a massive level of infrastructure and technology that goes along with all of this other than rockets and none of these private venture operations are going to equal or overtake all of that anytime soon.

People that sit on the shoulders of giants forget to look down occasionally and remember how they got to where they are.

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Rickady88GT SEP 16, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
When / IF these private space ventures have their own launch facilities instead of leasing NASA / USAF facilities at Cape Canaveral and when / IF these private space ventures don't have to request the FAA to clear airspace for their launches and when / IF these private space ventures have their own global radar and telemetry tracking capabilities instead of leasing them from NASA / USAF, get back to us....

The point is that there is a massive level of infrastructure and technology that goes along with all of this other than rockets and none of these private venture operations are going to equal or overtake all of that anytime soon.

People that sit on the shoulders of giants forget to look down occasionally and remember how they got to where they are.




This is a good point. I didn't think about all of the infrastructure.
maryjane SEP 16, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

NASA got caught with their pants down because they are so arrogant to think they will never have competition from the private market.
IF, NASA had been doing their job, they would have stayed steps ahead of the capitalists.
No I don't think that NASA should be chartering joy rides to space, but the capitalists have caught up and will soon over take any superiority that NASA exclusively enjoyed.



NASA didn't "lose" ground to the privateers. NASA (and congress) sought them out to replace the shuttle manned space program and to take over certain parts of satellite launches when shuttle ended. Except for certain DoD operations, anything orbital or lunar is going to be done by private enterprise with NASA's blessing.
NASA was looking beyond Earth orbit farther into the 21st century when this decision was made and had to make a funding choice whether to remain 'local' or go farther out. They (NASA) opted for the latter. Eventually the private companies will go to the moon and beyond and not just the baby steps they are taking now.

I just hope FAA and the environmentalis don't start shutting down or limiting the recent space entrepreneurship we've seen in the last 20 years, and especially not for political reasons. Lots of rumors swirling around regarding SpaceX losing their ability to use the Boca Chico facility because (supposedly) left leaning Bezos (Blue Origin owner) is pressuring Washington to limit SpaceX's ability to advance farther than they are now.
Bezos is upset because NASA awarded SpaceX a big contract for the next national moonshot. Bezos has filed several lawsuits against NASA and the feds to get a piece of the pie even tho BEZOS has yet to put even a pingpong ball into low Earth orbit.
If anyone was caught with their pants down, it was Bezos & Blue Origin.

There are quite a few fledgling space/rocket companies now, some better and more advanced than others. NASA will always have a place in space exploration but it's footprint will be different and 'maybe' significantly smaller as time goes by.
By 'smaller', I mean NASA will lead the way to the stars and leave the 'local' stuff to the private companies. (this of course, long after I'm dust on the ground)

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