The 'big one' . . . Richmond's towering equestrian statue of Robert E Lee taken down (Page 2/7)
olejoedad SEP 09, 09:07 AM
What? Another OPINION piece you reference as fact?

It is a huge mistake to hold historical figures to modern standards.

We were formed as a Republic made up of independent States. National loyalties fell behind loyalty to God, Family and State.

I think we would do better today if we held our values in that same light.
sourmash SEP 09, 09:30 AM
But we know since that goes against globalism, it is today the enemy of the State. All must conform to a godless, amoral goo of a culture. Now take your injections.

Meanwhile a war criminal President who is responsible for extinguisinhing the lives of 750,000 men is still honored. That war could've been over with as little as the single death at Fort Sumter in which one Union soldier was accidentally killed in a ceremonial volley.
randye SEP 09, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

What? Another OPINION piece you reference as fact?




It never fails does it.

He was directly asked to cite specifically what the former president said that isn't true.

He comes back with another OPINION article by some Leftist propagandist, twat-waffle whose opinion is that Robert E. Lee wasn't a nice man

....and THAT OPINION isn't really even the twat-waffle's own but just the parroted opinion of his pal, the unlettered racist Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is also not a historian.


It's hard to imagine what goes on inside the head of a Leftist whose every idea of what is "fact" is just the parroted opinion of another Leftist.

There is an organic and functional oddity in the way the Leftist "brain" so easily dismisses real world, objective, facts, and the way that they tenaciously cling to opinion and emotion....including the opinions and emotions of their comrades.

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blackrams SEP 09, 08:13 PM
Well, although I do agree with the majority of what President Trump said, I don't agree with this particular statement in total.


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If only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, that disaster would have ended in a complete and total victory many years ago. What an embarrassment we are suffering because we don’t have the genius of a Robert E. Lee!



Not taking anything away from General Lee, he was a great general and strategist but, the same results could have been had by several of our current and former military leadership if only the politicians would get the hell out of the way. Every President the last 20 years had opportunity, they just didn't finish the job.

Rams

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randye SEP 09, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Well, although I do agree with the majority of what President Trump said, I don't agree with this particular statement in total.


Not taking anything away from General Lee, he was a great general and strategist but, the same results could have been had by several of our current and former military leadership if only the politicians would get the hell out of the way. Every President the last 20 years had opportunity, they just didn't finish the job.

Rams




That sentiment of the former president falls firmly into HIS OPINION and while you and I can certainly agree that many of our modern day generals could have also done a magnificent job of it if only left unfettered by the politicians, we can also both agree that there is absolutely nothing intentionally or unintentionally false in the former president's personal observation.

We should also be mindful that we have already been down this particular, unproductive, blind alley with rinsel before in his other thread on this very same topic.

The variety of his methods of attention whoring know no bounds....

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olejoedad SEP 09, 10:53 PM
If you would just ignore the inconsequential things that have no meaning......
rinselberg SEP 09, 11:26 PM
I just used the forum Search function to look at some numbers.

The ten (10) most recent Totally O/T forum topics created by forum member "randye" stretch all the way back to October 2020, or almost a year ago.

The ten (10) most recent Totally O/T forum topics created by me go back to August 14, or almost a month ago.

This is why I've said--more than once--that forum member "randye" sounds (or reads) as if he would rather have a Totally O/T-themed screensaver display--an unchanging image or "wallpaper" that he could look at from time to time throughout his day--instead of an active discussion forum or messages board.

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randye SEP 09, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


The ten (10) most recent Totally O/T forum topics created by me go back to August 14, or almost a month ago.





Since you've shown us that you're so good at counting, now tell everyone how many of your 10,857 posts on PFF since you slithered in here back in March 2010 have been.....

..... anywhere outside of O/T


We'll wait....

It shouldn't take you too long.

But don't take too long because I don't think you have all that much longer to be here....

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cvxjet SEP 09, 11:58 PM
Randye the local Gestapo "Ocifer" has spoken and wants to eliminate anyone who doesn't TOTALLY agree with his lord and master (Is that Chumpy or Putin?)
Notorio SEP 10, 12:00 AM
The thing I have learned about History and Biography is that the author is 100% in control of what sources get presented, which ones don't, whether or not they honor the context, etc. Subconscious bias can not be avoided in these selections, and of course there is also the problem of conscious bias to be considered. Sadly the result is that you can read two biographies of REL, for example, and come away with quite different impressions of the man. I agree with Pres Trump when he said that if Lee had accepted command of the Northern armies the war would have been quickly won (over in 'a day' is just Trump hyperbole). I'm not sure about how hard he worked for reconciliation but he certainly didn't work to establish and grow Southern terrorism in the form of the KKK focused on the newly freed Blacks, White Republicans, and sympathizers, like others did. My 'vote' is to keep the history visible, explain it, and help each other learn from what went before us. I feel that with each statue that comes down we lose the opportunity to talk about it with our children.