So, the conservatives actually won Afghanistan back in what, 2 weeks? (Page 2/3)
randye AUG 15, 06:20 PM
sourmash AUG 15, 06:36 PM
I suspect the money for more American foreign aggression is just needed somewhere else. China? Iran? Domestic oppression?
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 15, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

But you surely know the difference in conservatism and Republicans, especially since the GOP isnt conservative.





You've really got to get off this. There isn't a single person here who doesn't understand that the literal meaning of the words "liberal" and "conservative" have dictionary definitions, and that liberal is not synonymous with Democrat, and that conservative isn't synonymous with Republican.

That the semantics of the word Conservative and Liberal are your new obsessive argument seems to me to be so 1999. I know you're seemingly taking it personally that I questioned you about your going-on and on about white America and some of the other stuff that I thought was totally nonsense. But if you're going to have an honest debate, does it have to be about things that are such nonsense?

I don't even know where this discussion with you started. Did anyone tell you they were a conservative and then you debated that? It certainly wasn't me. I'm Republican... and mostly a liberal one at that, but I'm conservative when it comes to financial responsibility, and adherence to constitutional law.
sourmash AUG 15, 10:01 PM
You don't even know what you said, or how what you said made no sense. You got triggered by me stating actual DC statements.

The USA is the progressive liberal cop on the world beat, like in Afghanistan.

Try sticking to what I actually say this time. Progressive liberal. It's a term you can look up.
randye AUG 15, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:


The USA is the progressive liberal cop on the world beat, like in Afghanistan.




The word "progressive" is one that Marxist ideologues use to camouflage what they actually believe.

They have been using that word since Woodrow Wilson embraced Marxism and started trying to promote it here in the U.S.

Is that how you are using it?

Additionally, I have been studying conservative philosophy and political ideology for well over 50 years and I have NEVER ONCE seen or heard any actual conservative promote the weird idea that people who believe in any kind of a theocracy are somehow "conservative".

That idea is completely antithetical to conservatism.

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Rickady88GT AUG 15, 11:08 PM

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Cool, thanks.
For me, it is a simple matter of semantics. I accept that people disagree with me, all I ask is that they disagree with me in context and not perception, bias or prejudice.
sourmash AUG 15, 11:18 PM
Progressive liberalism. As one term.

The Taliban is conservative, without question. How can it even be debatable?

Which is more conservative in societal approach, Reform Judaism or Orthodox Judaism? Are the Saudis more conservative than the Swiss? How about the Puritans? Are the Amish conservative. Of course.
sourmash AUG 15, 11:23 PM
Anyone can put something like, "islam is conservative" in a search engine.
Rickady88GT AUG 16, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Progressive liberalism. As one term.

The Taliban is conservative, without question. How can it even be debatable?

Which is more conservative in societal approach, Reform Judaism or Orthodox Judaism? Are the Saudis more conservative than the Swiss? How about the Puritans? Are the Amish conservative. Of course.



Ok, understandable, but why the small box? Liberal or conservative?. I see other options, extreme outside the box ideological views that do not fit the box do exist. There are more options than just 2.
By definition, I believe that you have not addressed my opinion of isis (given, not mentioned by name) or taliban. They do not follow the traditional Islamic teachings. They have a hybrid version mixed with tribal (political) and social views. They are far more extreme than "traditional" muslims. As an example, the number of muslims in America is in the millions and VERY few of those are "terrorists" and murderers like those in Afghanistan. I don't put them all in the same box. isis and taliban are not traditional and by definition are not conservative.
sourmash AUG 16, 08:45 AM
One media's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. I'll remind you that they were used by the USA against the Soviets. They were armed and trained as proxy for the US. We fostered their radicalization for a proxy war.

First thing I disagree with is that the Taliban are all killers and terrorists. We were told that Osama (a Saudi) is running his group from there and it was our turn to invade.
Eastern European/Central Asian cultures have extremes of behavior. Honor killings exist in both. And you know, some is warranted, imo.

But the USA, our narrative became, 'we're bringing liberation to women and promoting human rights'. Many times the puppet rulers we paid as mouthpieces demanded we leave and stop meddling in their culture. But we had no way to leave with our objective in place EXCEPT if we keep paying them pallets of cash and that became less and less effective.

Those people just want our chitty sickening culture out of occupying their country. Hell, many of us in this forum want our chitty sickening culture out of our occupied government.

We are becoming Palestinians to the elite. The USA doesn't bring wholesomeness to the world. We bring Pride flags, BLM banners, same sex marriage, feminism and now transgender soldiers.