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theogre
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AUG 11, 08:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Well, Ol' Joe promised not to raise gas taxes. He kept his promise, didn't he? |
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He doesn't have to raise Fuel/Road Taxes...
Some States already have like PA and NJ now w/ high Fuel Prices from High Taxes.
Plus Fed and states can add new or increase many fees/taxes to register a car, buy Tires, and other things like NY had Motor Oil Tax decades ago. (Think was 10-15ยข per Quart at the time started.)
In last decade or two...
PA claim some "Fuel" Taxes on the Refineries etc but they pass that to you.
NJ plane raise the Fuel Tax to around double it at the time.
Note that Gas and Diesel have different rates in most states too w/ one higher/lower then other.
https://taxfoundation.org/s...-gas-tax-rates-2021/
https://igentax.com/gas-tax-state/[This message has been edited by theogre (edited 08-11-2021).]
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kslish
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AUG 14, 05:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theogre:
As Is, PA and others have Already raised Tolls because Covid Shutdown last year cause PA Turnpike, Bridges, etc, not generating $$.
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COVID was just a convenient excuse for PA. The Turnpike commission collects an average of $1.2 billion in tolls and almost half of it goes to service debt and other commitments. Past bad decisions and mismanagement are the main problem. That and the fact that turnpike tolls are used to subsidize public transit and PennDOT, not just roads and bridges.
The PA Turnpike has planned minimum 3% toll increases annually through 2050 already regardless of anything else just to stay solvent.....
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 17, 04:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
I don't think people are aware of how surveilled some of the public is already. Groups (gov and other) are surveilling by phone, phone position tracking and by OnStar already. |
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That's just positional tracking data. One of the oldest examples of the potential impact of data aggregation and analysis on individuals had to do with store "loyalty" programs. Every time you go to the grocery store, they ask you to enter your number or scan a club card. There's a story of a young girl who was outed as pregnant by Target before the girls own father knew, based solely on analysis of her shopping history (https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her -father-did/?sh=62caf16d6668).
But it goes even further beyond that. Target has one of the absolute top loss prevention programs in retail. Shoplift from target, and they generally let you go if it's below a certain threshold - but that incident is tagged to you based on bluetooth ID from a phone you carry, and/or facial recognition data captured as you wander around the store. Shoplift again, and it's still below the threshold... but that incident gets tagged to you. Once you shoplift again, and cross the dollar-value threshold, they prosecute, including all the records of past transgressions to pursue the maximum possible penalty where applicable. Their data aggregation and analysis tools are staggeringly powerful and thorough - and it's not used solely for shoplifters, it's everyone that steps foot in the store. (https://www.paypath.com/Small-Business/why-target-is-the-worst-store-to-shoplift-from and https://www.bostonglobe.com...8dhidcDP/story.html)
There are also technologies like ibeacon and similar, where carefully placed trackers will grab the wifi MAC address of your cellphone, for example, and triangulate your position in a space and track your progress around that space. It's shockingly invasive.
If the average every day user had any idea how many of their daily activities feeds the data aggregation and analysis machine, they'd (poop) their pants. I'm honestly surprised that with facial recognition technology taking off, more people aren't into wearing masks for that reason alone.[This message has been edited by FieroSTETZ (edited 08-17-2021).]
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theogre
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AUG 17, 09:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:
If the average every day user had any idea how many of their daily activities feeds the data aggregation and analysis machine, they'd (poop) their pants. I'm honestly surprised that with facial recognition technology taking off, more people aren't into wearing masks for that reason alone. |
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Like Apple Fanboys still believing Apple scan everyone's Icrap for "CSAM?" Most people have no clue and most of the few that do... Don't Care or worse push the BS "to save the kids."
Apple puts on a fake Privacy Face to US EU and others yet will bend over for China and others to sell phones.
Only a matter of time that US China and more will force Apple to scan whatever they want. The rest are watching and waiting to join the scan band too. Google already uses all data on droid phones to sell crap now. G-Photo sends SMS spam as well.
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blackrams
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AUG 18, 03:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
As long as this is only for electric cars I am good.
But if they want to do this for gas cars then they need to stop taxing gas.. |
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Honestly, I don't have a problem with a road tax by the miles driven but, the caveat is, get rid of all of the fuel taxes already on our gas and diesel fuels.
Seems much fairer than allowing electric vehicles on the road for free. I'd also like to see bicycles taxed for all those bike lanes and bike trails. User should be the ones paying for such things.
Rams
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 18, 04:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theogre:
Like Apple Fanboys still believing Apple scan everyone's Icrap for "CSAM?" Most people have no clue and most of the few that do... Don't Care or worse push the BS "to save the kids."
Apple puts on a fake Privacy Face to US EU and others yet will bend over for China and others to sell phones.
Only a matter of time that US China and more will force Apple to scan whatever they want. The rest are watching and waiting to join the scan band too. Google already uses all data on droid phones to sell crap now. G-Photo sends SMS spam as well. |
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To be fair, I think that they're likely implementing this to be compliant with some current or future requirements, so they tried to brand it as a "feature", like "look what we are doing to protect the children". Then, when everyone else is forced to do it, it looks like they're copying Apple. That being said, several photo services already use Microsoft PhotoDNA to scan photos and now video for signs of abuse, and I think that dates back to 2008 or 2009? None of them have come out publicly and said that they do it, but if you look up PhotoDNA you can see there's a pretty extensive history.
As far as privacy controls in general (for iOS), the containerization in the current dev kit for xcode is pretty great at keeping things segregated - they don't make idle claims about privacy protections it's actually pretty robust.
They aren't providing much information on what the new photo scanning stuff actually does or whom has access to it, but at least as a current developer you can't touch any of that stuff with a ten foot pole. Having developed apps for both platforms, I still trust Apple exponentially more than I trust the android platform. Android permissions are awful! You want to play solitaire? We need access to your microphone, your camera, and your contacts! The days of having an actual private life are over. Own an internet connected samsung anything? Grab some packet captures with wireshark and look at the telemetry it's constantly reporting.
I went to a developers conference a while back and there were a couple companies showing off ridiculously invasive technologies. One used facial recognition to start playing an ad in one place (using cameras embedded into a sign-board type thing), pause it when you went past, and resume the ad when you got to another of their equipped boards "advertising continuity" indeed. There was another developer there showing off how they could use VR headset eye tracking to monetize visual space, so they could effectively charge more for ads placed in higher "traffic" areas of your field of vision, or to have the ads move to follow your focus. The most offensive one I saw was using gaze tracking to pause ads when you weren't looking at them. Their usage example was a youtube clone - you want to watch a video, you *have* to watch the ad - if you stop looking at it, it pauses. I go to a lot of conferences and this was the first one in a while that felt straight up gross. (And that's saying a lot, because I've been to a conference for content distribution and "Adult entertainment technologies". Not (adult entertainment - didn't realize **** was a no no word) centric itself, but at the top level - multiple concurrent 40gbit pipes, etc. If there's anyone who knows how to do mass content distribution reliably and inexpensively, it's the (adult entertainment) industry.)[This message has been edited by FieroSTETZ (edited 08-18-2021).]
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kslish
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AUG 18, 07:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Honestly, I don't have a problem with a road tax by the miles driven but, the caveat is, get rid of all of the fuel taxes already on our gas and diesel fuels.
Seems much fairer than allowing electric vehicles on the road for free.
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I'd probably do that trade as well, but it'll never happen (although eliminating the fuel tax would somewhat disincentivise purchasing fuel efficient vehicles as a side effect). A new tax never seems to replace the old one.
Casino gambling was legalized in PA in 2004 so it could be taxed and used to replace school property taxes. 17 years later and still waiting for that to happen, other than a $300 discount (on average) given to some seniors as long as their household income isn't over $35,000/yr....[This message has been edited by kslish (edited 08-18-2021).]
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randye
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AUG 18, 10:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Honestly, I don't have a problem with a road tax by the miles driven but, the caveat is, get rid of all of the fuel taxes already on our gas and diesel fuels.
Seems much fairer than allowing electric vehicles on the road for free. I'd also like to see bicycles taxed for all those bike lanes and bike trails. User should be the ones paying for such things.
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THAT is a great idea which is exactly why the gooberment will never consider or enact it.
The only caveat I have is my personal experience with my new Ford F150.
The truck receives updates to it's onboard navigation, the Sirius XM entertainment system and "other things" via wifi / internet (even from my home wifi just sitting parked in my driveway).
Those "other things" apparently include the current mileage on my truck and the engine hours run being transmitted to Ford.
In turn I receive periodic emails and postcards stating the mileage and engine hours and advising me of needed services.
I don't have a big problem with that except that the notices I get constantly have the mileage and engine hours WRONG. and invariably significantly higher than actual.
I have a strong "suspicion" that any possible gooberment attempts to collect, maintain and tax that same data will be exponentially more inaccurate.
"We're sorry Mr. Blackrams, if the gooberment data says you drove 50,000 miles last month in that inoperable vehicle that's been parked for 2 years then BY GOD YOU DROVE 50,000 MILES!".....PAY UP
That brings up other interesting questions in my mind.
Would this hypothetical mileage tax bill be paid all in one huge annual lump sum and how can such an annual tax payment be reconciled with the current process whereby the simple purchase of fuel (with included taxes) physically limits your mileage rather than being jailed for tax evasion...[This message has been edited by randye (edited 08-18-2021).]
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TheDigitalAlchemist
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AUG 19, 04:17 PM
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Remember when they used to not tax how much air we breathed? or how much water we used?
I'd like to walk around the block, but I have to stay in the chair because I wasn't able to pay my "how far you've walked this month" tax.
At least I don't have to pay for a tv license...
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AUG 19, 04:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:
Remember when they used to not tax how much air we breathed? or how much water we used?
I'd like to walk around the block, but I have to stay in the chair because I wasn't able to pay my "how far you've walked this month" tax.
At least I don't have to pay for a tv license... |
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Slippery slopes are real.
Give an inch they take a mile, is legit.
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